back to the estrogen, they used to think it helped old women not get heart attacks, for decades

>the guy who studied 8 years knows as much as someone who used google for 5 minutes

but turns out this was based on shit data

pharma companies made bank though

@MountainMan the doctor that ends up looking at general cases is not the same doctor that ends up as an heart surgeon lol

the person who gives you hormonal medicine is not the same person either.

someone who studied hormones has done that for aboug 9 years kek

It's sad but the "generic" doctor that looks at you for 10 minutes and prescribes you drugs is not the very best, otherwise he would've ended in an hospital doing the hard work. Lots of good doctors are always super pissed at these generic doctors because they prescribe drugs or exams without knowing much about the specific case and end up doing more damage than good, which the doctors in the hospital then have to work twice as much to fix

mate. hormonal treatments are not the same thing as some drug you get prescribed. you need an endocrinologist to check you to get testosterone, estrogen, etc.

its not a physician who prescribs testosterone lol

My grandma was prescribed some hormone and now has spent 20 years in hospitals because her thyroid exploded

🤷

kek

i mean that's sad..

but kek

It's genetic but the drugs, or hormones or whatever made it 1000 times worse

at least she can rest easy knowing she listened to medical advice of professionals 👌

Being genetic my mom and sister will have the same trouble

But before we found out on granny, my mom was suggested to take the same thing

And after a few years

My sister too!

Big brain

@MountainMan i will just say that medicine is still a very primitive science, because we aren't allowed to do proper experiments on people that would be required to have good data on how everything works

being educated on poor data doesn't necessarily mean you're well informed

though they are obviously much better than the layman

my point is that people shouldnt take steroids.

because most people *dont* need them

yes but you didn't actually make an argument for why not

and will cause unnecessary harm to their body

just said take what doctor say

Well you guys reminded me to take my multi-vitamin. Well done 👍🏿

And speaking of how easily women can get estrogens, we had to cut down on chicken because, in order to grow them faster, they are fed a shit ton of hormones, which were causing my sister to go through puberty at 11. And more problems with her thyroid @Tero @MountainMan

well I can give you some actual arguments. hormonal imbalance, arterie damage, etc.

this a problem in general in the west. we pump hormones into everything. @Ondsinet

@MountainMan actually china is as always the biggest cause but whatever

this is also one of the things I am against. the extra hormones is fucking us over

and we consume it @Ondsinet

therefor its also our problem

@MountainManoh i agree on the steroids, I'm just saying that there's entire classes of doctors that know shit about anything that cause a lot of trouble for real doctors and people. And that it's incredibly easy to get full of hormones anyways

honestly the way male test levels have been dropping over the last 4 decades, nearly every man should be taking test in 2019 @MountainMan

oh well that we can agree on. there are a lot of people in the field that deffinantly shouldnt be there lmao. @Ondsinet