```That is obviously fucking excessive``` no fuck him

He could have been running to grab a weapon

`And the property owner hit him with a baseball bat or something
`
how is that excessive

smh

He's a fucking brit

Because he killed him

Point stands: self defense is illegal

Running to grab a weapon where?

Why wouldn't he take it with him

Are you fucking retarded

`Because he killed him
`
you don't know when you hit someone they're going to drop dead

are you talking about Tony Martin

In UK, if you keep beating someone after they have given up, it's excessive force

because those were gyppos

Hell, no one expects a death from a bat lmao

Well if you smash someone in the head with a baseball bat

Wtf do you expect to happen?

He threw it you said

That is excessive

I didn't say throw

The other problem is people thinking they can whack away with bats as if it's the movies

That's a problem?

Doesn't matter if it was point blank or thrown anyway

Do you know what "an eye for an eye" means?

It's about punishment being fit to the crime

Imagine having to lock up your knives, so you have to run past the intruder, and then punch in your combo just to fight back

Killing someone for trying to steal your shit is excessive

Intentional or not

No it's not

^

if you break into my house you've forfeited your right to safety

What's excessive is keeping them alive and using them as slave labor @ShrektEffect

Oh so if someone pickpockets my wallet in the street I can shoot them?

@ShrektEffect I am legally allowed to shoot someone in the face if they carjack me

And I'm in a liberal state

"accidental" death during struggle is justifiable... just make sure you don't continue to stab the cunt for another 72 times after he's dead, that won't wash in court as self defence, hehehe.

self defence is one thing the US legal system usually gets right

Bedside bats. Are they legal?

sorry britcucks

@Fitzydog if they're like here, it's legal to have a bat in general, but having one on you for the purpose of self defence (with intent to use as a weapon) is illegal

so you have to be coincidentally cleaning your bat when the breakin happens