Message from @franti

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2017-11-10 07:28:21 UTC  

they make it sound like Mexico is a Fallout DLC

2017-11-10 07:37:16 UTC  

Mexico is one of the most dangerous countries in the world

2017-11-10 07:37:26 UTC  

4x the US murder rate

2017-11-10 07:37:37 UTC  

higher than afghanistan or pakistan

2017-11-10 07:37:55 UTC  

more gang members per capita than any country in the world

2017-11-10 07:38:05 UTC  

the runner up has 3 times fewer

2017-11-10 07:38:34 UTC  

mexico is basically third world

2017-11-10 07:39:09 UTC  

I don't think letting all their people come here is helping things either

2017-11-10 07:39:19 UTC  

no of course not

2017-11-10 07:39:36 UTC  

their labor force in the north is gone

2017-11-10 07:39:51 UTC  

and the gangs have a huge market across the border

2017-11-10 07:40:18 UTC  

there are gangs in mexico with a higher gross income than some small countries

2017-11-10 07:41:55 UTC  

Border insecurity also perpetuates the drug trafficking which supports those gangs

2017-11-10 08:54:02 UTC  

I never argue with people about immigration,I just send that

2017-11-10 11:14:27 UTC  

His only mistake is assuming these countries are poor because they lack the competent, energetic people.

2017-11-10 11:15:41 UTC  

Instead of being subjugated by warlords, dictators, rampant corruption and organized crime.

2017-11-10 11:15:50 UTC  

I think he meant to stress that they lacked people who were competent, energetic, *and* educated. Educated would also imply some level of wealth, which would give them more means to do what they needed.

2017-11-10 11:16:16 UTC  

That too, seems in a lot of places the people with all three of those boxes ticked tend to want to take over rather than improve things.

2017-11-10 11:16:54 UTC  

The term is brain drain

2017-11-10 11:17:17 UTC  

The most competent and educated leave

2017-11-10 11:17:46 UTC  

In turn they dont create wealth in their own country

2017-11-10 11:18:23 UTC  

If your country is ruled by organized crime, your brains won't do shit to fix things. It's way too easy to keep hungry and uneducated people subjugated.

2017-11-10 11:18:58 UTC  

And whos responsibility is to fix that?

2017-11-10 11:20:58 UTC  

It is sad to see that the Catholic church still hates fags

2017-11-10 11:24:12 UTC  

Good question, whose responsibility is it to free the North Korean population from the Kim dynasty?

2017-11-10 11:24:45 UTC  

And here we are now at a stallmate

2017-11-10 11:25:41 UTC  

If we act we get accused of nation building If not we get accused sitiing idle why others are commiting genocide

2017-11-10 11:28:51 UTC  

My point was, most of those countries can only be fixed by a very drastic change, like a revolution, or foreign imposition, because they have very effective systems in place to prevent gradual improvements. At least it looks like it.

2017-11-10 11:29:25 UTC  

I bet most of them would love to turn into South Korea or Japan.

2017-11-10 11:29:49 UTC  

Or it end up as Afganistan

2017-11-10 11:48:21 UTC  

@DanielKO DigitalSoujou and AsianBoss have some videos interviewing NK defectors

2017-11-10 11:52:18 UTC  

One of em brought up a point about the differences in "pressure" between SK and NK society. In NK it's clearly in a bad way, but there's greater emphasis among family members caring for what they do have. Whereas living in SK, for a young college student age guy like him, you're expected to be isolated and nose to the grindstone in your studies so in that sense he was happier in NK than SK(Though obviously plenty of reasons to enjoy SK over NK)

2017-11-10 11:55:57 UTC  

Well yeah, when your life consists of worshipping dear leader, finding shoes to eat for dinner, and trying not to get sent to the labor camps, of course there will bea heavy emphasis on family cohesion and support

2017-11-10 11:58:28 UTC  

That's like saying it's good to live under tyranny because you don't have to worry about making life choices. Because you don't have any.

2017-11-10 11:59:22 UTC  

That also was the general feeling under socialism here

2017-11-10 12:00:21 UTC  

Well yeah, when your life consists of worshipping dear leader, finding shoes to eat for dinner, and trying not to get sent to the labor camps, of course there will bea heavy emphasis on family cohesion and support

2017-11-10 12:00:26 UTC  

Nowadays its looked back with nostalgia. Everybody had work. Just had to go to school no hard choices to make

2017-11-10 12:27:52 UTC  

Being responsible for your own destiny is stressful. But also rewarding.

2017-11-10 12:49:04 UTC  

It's also white supremacy