and when we are talking socialism. we have to frame it under what would be acceptable for socialism to do within the uk

its really dishonest to lable corbyn a communist and then perpetuate that lie.

I think it's funny when people claim that socialism, communism, democracy, freedom, tyranny, has to be judge by location and culture. "Freedom and democracy might be good for the USA, but not for country XYZ, it's a different culture, they're better off not having it."

well look at this way. the infastructure for socialism isnt there in the us. and thts why it will fail. because of how much change you would need in order for it to succeed. where as in the uk. were already quasi socialist.

I'm going to called Corbyn a Commie everyday until he forms the ability to answer a question LUUL

>implying socialism can succeed

daniel are you from the uk?

Nope.

or the us?

Neither.

ok where?

I'm from the internet.

well lets put it in the us. forms of socialism are education and social security.

in the uk its health care, education national insurance etc etc.

its already working. but the tory government is trying to stamp it out and put spanners in the works.

there actually behind schedule for selling off the nhs

Healthcare in the UK is already working?

it was and it does but when you have privatisation happening and governments deliberatley doing things to make every little part of the nhs hurt

it makes the nhs really difficult to support financially because of the sanctions the government is putting on it.

Isn't that the whole argument for not letting the government run social programs? Because it has no clues, nor the motivation, to do it properly?

they are designing to sell it off.

"Management by numbers."

no the idea of the nhs is that everyone has the same health care.

put if this way

the whole country has a bigger buyer power than a few select private companies

therefore the cost of things are cheaper because you are buying in bulk

where as lots of different private companies buying things

increases the costs.

and they will have a proft incentive to profit of sick people

which i believe is ethically compromised

if you get cancer in the us. you can go bankrupt

in the uk you get the treatment without worrying about that.

just pay the taxes that you do so in the eventuality of you becoming sick

you are covered.

everyone pays the same and everyone gets the same accsess to treatment.

you still can go private if you want to.

Except when hospitals are overcrowded and they can't get treatment.

On paper, everyone could get treatment.

everyone does.

Really? Then why do they publish news like this all the time: https://www.politico.eu/article/what-britains-health-care-nhs-crisis-means-for-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn/

its just that there as i said alot of sanctions that the current government are putting on its workers and finances are making it really difficult for the nhs to thrive