or a pedophile

lol

^^

I guess it also depends on the nature of your economy, if you have a high-technology industry, great, let competent people in. But if you have an economy based on primary resources or that involve tons of cheap labour, the immigration policies should reflect your needs *if* you are using immigration mostly for economical reasons.

I think that my over-arching point is that immigration rules should not be based on ideology but more so on practical or pragmatic reasons

So if you have lot's of a people out of work, don't import a bunch more people. Shocking

lol ya

that's racist I'm afraid

if you use immigration for economical reasons

For example, when the English fought the french in the New World, they won! but they where kind of f*cked up... their population was 10 times smaller

On both sides, they started mass immigration programs "to get the numbers"

They would kidnap drunk people comming back from the bar, both in france and england, shove them in a boat and they would end up here

Other reasons for immigration are for your world reputation

Typically, this happens with refugees mind you so it's a different context

I'm sorry there are poor people in other countries and they need to be poor here instead

sod trying to actually build anything there

that's colonialism

Well, europe's lands have all been bought up for ages, the new world did offer opportunities to own land I guess. A lot of people would (and did) benefit from this on the colonizeing side

Colonialism is a form of warfare

And often involve waring conflicts

I mean..

Not sure that their intent was specifically to shuffle poor people around, their intent was to acquire land

the shuffling of people was to maintain majority

once they got a foot-hold

more of a method rather than a motivation

That being said, to colonization era is way gone, nowadays, immigration is done for economical reasons mostly

Social unity is barely considered, if at all

There are exceptions, namely in north europeean countries that make sure that the rate of integration is higher than the rate of immigrations and I believe that this is crucial, happy to see that the Switzerland rules considered that with their 5 year rule

Failing this, you get ghettoization with all the problems it encurs

Where groups end up replacing institutions with the local traditions reenacted in their ghetto, ex: Seek justice by talking to your local religious leader instead of going to the police

I talk a lot, tell me if it's too much or if I'm wrong - lol

It's too much.

thanks

You're welcome.

European countries are already allowing massive ghettos to take root, they're no-go zones. They'll be experiencing the same kind of "we want reparations" BLM is demanding now in the USA, in a few years.

Because it's clear they'll get stuck into poverty in these ghettos.

It's scary, maybe I should retract that point

I know this happens in Sweden and now more and more in germany

Remember that France needs the military occupying the streets to keep it safe.

But I assumed it was less in Norway and Scandinacvia, etc

Ya well, France messed up a long time ago