Message from @Mal
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Losing turkey's massive army to an islamist dictator would be huge for NATO
on paper, yeah, but armies haven't been very relevant in the kind of warfare we're looking at, in the not too far off future.
I don't think anyone wants to actually nuke Turkey, though, so it's hard to say what would happen if he invaded Greece
You'd still lose billions worth of equipment and millions of soldiers
Plus you wouldn't be able to maintain a black sea presence
Yes, short term that might very well be a huge problem, but long term it feels like it would be of little consequence, especially if future wars do not involve soldiers for anything but garrison duty.
Do you think losing Germany or France or Britain would be a problem for NATO, because Turkey has or at least had the biggest army behind America <:GWnanamiWakeMeUpInside:402195729726046221>
Short term, yes. Long term, no. An army will be mostly irrelevant, if you have drone forces doing all the actual "fighting".
Plus restoring the economy to pre-EU fuckery would make things really nasty
and that is what most nations are aiming at.
Yes, but if that's what the Turks want, and it seems to be, then how exactly would democratic nations justify intervening?
Voting fraud hasn't made much of a difference before, in such decisions.
Well they wouldn't I'm just saying that Turkey is important to NATO, they should care about voter fraud and if they don't and leave it to Erdogan they lose way too much strategic ground <:GWnanamiWhenLifeGetsAtYou:398860996535386126>
I'm sure they care, but I sincerely doubt they'll ever do anything about it.
~~Also morality and shit but who gives a fuck about morality in international politics~~
too many unknowns.
IYI is already polling higher than the AKP though not to mention the other parties still exist
How many of his Islamist followers will take up arms against an interventionist force, and how many of them would go the route of terror after Erdogan is defeated
Pretty sure if Aksener is succesful there's going to be so much islamic terror
But that's not a problem for Tuekey because they've been dealing with terror groups for decades
Up until the election it's still a parliamentary democracy
So if he just loses his majority
All other parties can join together in condemnation of him
but hoping for outside interference would be naive
I'm not <:GWnanamiWhenLifeGetsAtYou:398860996535386126>
I just want it to not be rigged
And you started with the noone will care thing anyways <:GWnanamiWhenLifeGetsAtYou:398860996535386126>
because that's what history has shown
Bruh I'm not calling for intervention and I never did this whole convo <:GWnanamiWhenLifeGetsAtYou:398860996535386126>
not saying you were, specifically, but it's something that will eventually be brought up if it turns out to be rigged.
There are always factions that expect intervention from the outside, if things turn out to be rigged, because of the observers and such they send.
Yee and nothing will happen if its succesfully rigged for him to win <:pepe_why:378719408367075333> People will be fucking furious though if it deviates from the polls that much and the polls show him to be losing badly
maybe he will ban exit polls? <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>
Meral Akşener will make my country great again <:pepe_why:378719408367075333>
I wouldn't put it past him <:pepe_why:378719408367075333>
nor would I, to be honest <:pepe_sad:378719408345841664>
this is how you get the Miami bridge colapse
Drones couldn't do shit to keep order in Afghanistan and Iraq. They need soldiers for anything other than shooting down easy, exposed targets.
Nah, they'll drop out as soon as they start needing to go through some math and physics courses. Then the provost will be blamed for the failure. Or maybe the course department themselves will be punished.