Message from @pandaxcentric
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I've had talks with friends about this...if you aren't going to restrict immigration to net contributors, then you have to restrict the benefits that immigrants can receive
at the very least, if you're going ot a country as someone who needs welfare, you should be forced to learn the language and take some job training
with a reasonable timeperiod
if you aren't passable in english after 2 years, then you have to go
Yeah the logistics of throwing people out of the country are basically impossible, so the only good way I can think of is to eliminate incentives. Whatever is incentivised in any society increases. Like with the child welfare system prior to the two child rule. Created an incentive to be a single parent with lots of kids, so we got just that
I saw a stat that 25% of DREAMERS speak no english, and as many will be on food stamps in the next decade, 40 something % can't speak passable english
Thank Christ we have a water-border
I agree, but when I'm discussing this with people who are pro open borders, I throw out things I think we can agree with
yeah, you don't have the problems we do yet
Rebuild hadrian's wall tho
Haha yeah, being for open borders is just infantile. Someone believing that is not a serious person, but an absolute baby.
I'd be more open to the idea if we agreed they didn't qualify for any welfare at all, originally we got immigrants who had no expectations from the governemnt, and worked their asses off (my great grandparents were farmers from Italy for example)
my grandpa on my dad's side spoke NO french at home, so my dad speaks no french, because they wanted to assimilate
(french canadian)
but I feel like that isn't how it goes anymore
If borders were removed then there are no national boundaries, so in consequence the existence of nations in the first place vanishes. With no nations you can't have stable systems so every area becomes the same as any other. Where the fuck are so-called dreamers supposed to move to for a better life, then? So let's give everybody a better life by destroying the integrity and stability of the very systems that produce this better life. Whee! Morons.
I'm afraid this globalisation is irreversible.
With open borders you can't have representative governments either, since there is no stable community to represent. No point paying taxes either, for that reason. Globalisation isn't inevitable at all XP
But maybe, if brexit works out.
Maybe...
it's crazy how much feet dragging their is with brexit, the referendum happened, EU people lost, now follow through
it's funny, leftists really hate democracy, and every tiem it doesn't' work out for them they claim conservatives are the ones breaking it (I use US reference points for left and right, I know they'r edifferent in the UK)
The UK has survived over 1000 years of war and disaster. I think we can handle a grasping EU and Islam. But Brits are very stable and tolerant in general so it takes a lot of getting slapped before there's retaliation. The establishment may be spineless sycophants to horseshit but the public aren't. It isn't over by any means. Its not like we're at the point of killing people while covered in shit in a field somewhere and even then our grandparents and older ancestors didn't believe or act as though the game was over.
If they could hold their ground in the face of seeing their friends blown to pieces I think we'll manage
@pandaxcentric
>*Sees one badly managed state welfare and healthcare system*
> "See this shit is stupid"
I've been reading recently a book about the history of Catholicism in Britain, the back and forth between them and Protestants. People willingly and forthrightly walked to the scaffold to be burned alive for their convictions. A burning could last over 2 hours. It really puts things into perspective, I think it's really important not to let despair take over like things are lost before anything is over. There's still a bloody good life here. When I see videos by Sargon and people who promote the same cluster of principles as him, the massive number of likes compared to dislikes on basically all of them, or the huge outpouring of support for Tommy Robinson when he was imprisoned, it tells me real change is brewing. It happens slowly though, which is actually good, because slow change is sustainable change and when things move fast the potential for disaster increases dramatically.
yeah, eventually change will be forced too...like the US our Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid will be insolvent before 2030 (I think the dates change depending on where you read them) so we'll have to figure something out by then...I think if we hit that date, payments just get scaled back, they don't go away...the US and UK are def some of the best places to be born in the world though, so even with all the bad it is still overwhelmingly good
SERVICE
GUARANTEES
CITIZENSHIP
If you require people to volunteer in exchange for their welfare check, then you solve your staffing problems...
That would only work if the volunteers were medical professionals
yeah...I really do want my nurse to have gone to nursing school lol
How do you have a nursing shortage, yet the US has too many nursing students?
There isnt a nursing shortage. Nursing and tech are overpopulated. Its actual docs there is becoming a shortage of. Because instead of being an accomplished doctor, chillins want to be the next steve jobs or Zuckerberg
we have a shortage of programmers though...so not all tech is overpopulated...it can feel like it because a lot of companies don't want to hire from the bottom 50% of programmers
>tech
>overpopulated
there's such a shortage of tech workers in Germany and the rest of the EU that you don't even require any entrance exams or proof of your highschool grades to get into a university tech study
We were talking the US
I know