Message from @Legiondude

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2018-07-05 19:32:30 UTC  

@Achlys I disagree with picking a neutral judge

2018-07-05 19:32:58 UTC  

the problem we have is that people expect justices to "interpret" the constitution through a progressive lens

2018-07-05 19:33:21 UTC  

we need judges who read the constitution and interpret it based on what was intended by the writers

2018-07-05 19:34:05 UTC  

@pandaxcentric There's actually a debate in the Libertarian circle right now as to what Originalism even means these days lol

2018-07-05 19:34:31 UTC  

in Chrisitanity there's this idea of Hermeneutics

2018-07-05 19:34:47 UTC  
2018-07-05 19:35:16 UTC  

basically looking at what society was at the time the verses were written, and using that context when interpreting them (as well as other relevant verses)

2018-07-05 19:35:21 UTC  

Really interesting discussion

2018-07-05 19:38:27 UTC  

I'll have to watch it later

2018-07-05 19:39:26 UTC  

the problem when you just use the court to say way you want, like for gay marriage or abortion, then it can be overturned when other justices get appointed

2018-07-05 19:39:56 UTC  

the right way to make things permanent is for Congress to do its job, make a Bill or ammend the Constitution

2018-07-05 19:40:39 UTC  

but for gay marriage for example...they couldn't get the votes in Congress, so they decided to bypass it and use the SC to get it done instead, and this is where you see the Originalism argument coming into play a lot of times

2018-07-05 19:43:15 UTC  

That argument was dumb from both sides.

What is so special about marriage that makes it an attractive pursuit for gay couples? What privileges were they granted from getting it?

Was it right for the US to grant special privileges to married folk arbitrarily?

Why are they legislating private contracts in the first place?

2018-07-05 19:45:25 UTC  

I think it had to do with the problem of separating marriage as a legal status and a religious ceremony

2018-07-05 19:45:49 UTC  

hmm

2018-07-05 19:46:41 UTC  

Right, that's my point. Why is it a legal status in the first place? That's where *I* see the problem

2018-07-05 19:50:59 UTC  

it is legal because some people don't believe in a god but they stil believe in the sanctity of marriage

2018-07-05 19:51:17 UTC  

Well it goes down the hole of "where property rights are extended to between individuals"

2018-07-05 19:51:23 UTC  

tat too

2018-07-05 19:51:28 UTC  

I know gay couples were pushing it for insurance reasons

2018-07-05 19:53:33 UTC  

That all seems like stuff that can be dealt with privately on a case by case basis

2018-07-05 19:56:29 UTC  

there honestly aren't a ton of benefits to being married, right now insurance, getting the other person's estate if they die, and immigration status are the big ones

2018-07-05 19:57:11 UTC  

And mis-matched income levels as well

2018-07-05 19:57:48 UTC  

yeah, if one of the people wants to be a stay at home parent, the working person can declare them as a dependent and get a tax benefit

2018-07-05 19:58:11 UTC  

but if you're both working and making a decent income than you don't really get a benefit

yeah let's have Amy Coney Barrett

Shapiro doesn't like NIN

2018-07-05 20:04:42 UTC  

Well, it kinda is just shock value

2018-07-05 20:05:01 UTC  

They're grown up edgy 12yos

Here's a Black Pill

2018-07-05 20:24:44 UTC  

fuck.... we REALLY need a plague

California...

2018-07-05 20:26:41 UTC  

Wtf

ya Mom tried to flush you down McD's toilet

That's why your adopted

2018-07-05 20:28:19 UTC  

She’s fucking nuts

2018-07-05 20:29:07 UTC  

IF we're talking about flushing anything, it's west of the San Andreas Fault