Message from @franti

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2018-03-24 14:25:01 UTC  

that "reform" would be impossible for a long time. He advocated for discarding the hadiths entirely

2018-03-24 14:28:53 UTC  

so he's effectively useless

2018-03-24 14:29:11 UTC  

as are all other present-day muslim "reformists"

2018-03-24 14:30:46 UTC  

The hadiths are the only documentation about the life of Muhammad. The Quran commands Muslims to use Muhammad's life as a guide to live their own lives.

2018-03-24 14:31:07 UTC  

So with no hadiths, the Quran is incomplete.

2018-03-24 14:31:36 UTC  

Do you feel, like I did, that Tommy is just going along with what he is saying for the most part?

2018-03-24 14:32:47 UTC  

That's not what that guy argued though @DanielKO

2018-03-24 14:33:21 UTC  

he did say that there were only like 1 million muslims worldwide who'd agree with his specific way of thinking

2018-03-24 14:33:28 UTC  

so again, pretty useless fellow

2018-03-24 14:34:19 UTC  

>He advocated for discarding the hadiths entirely

2018-03-24 14:34:26 UTC  

I don't know what Tommy was thinking, but if I were to guess, he was just trying to be respectful and hopeful that people like this guy would somehow gain a measure of influence

2018-03-24 14:34:28 UTC  

I'm not going to watch the whole 50 min.

2018-03-24 14:34:58 UTC  

I think Tommy just used that to show he has support from "some" Muslims.

2018-03-24 14:35:09 UTC  

that's probably part of it

2018-03-24 14:35:42 UTC  

I think both of them were right on wahabbi sunni islam being the main problem

2018-03-24 14:37:43 UTC  

The Lord Pearson video is also good since he is actually talking with someone directly involved in UK politics and has been for a very long time.

2018-03-24 14:37:44 UTC  

it's been a while since I watched it, so I can't remember his argumentation for discarding the hadiths. I don't recall what kind of reasoning he used, you'd have to look for the specific part

2018-03-24 14:37:46 UTC  

About Islam

2018-03-24 14:40:05 UTC  

Thing is, Islam must lose any and all protection status.

2018-03-24 14:40:10 UTC  

oof

2018-03-24 14:41:00 UTC  

Americans and their corruption of the word "liberal"

2018-03-24 14:41:05 UTC  

Conservatives dont promote fear

2018-03-24 14:41:11 UTC  

lol

2018-03-24 14:41:26 UTC  

Moral panic originates from cons

2018-03-24 14:41:39 UTC  

Videogames are evil

2018-03-24 14:41:49 UTC  

That is a liberal position now.

2018-03-24 14:41:53 UTC  

video games being evil

2018-03-24 14:41:57 UTC  

especially that tic tac toe

2018-03-24 14:42:10 UTC  

moral panic relating to tradition comes from the right, moral panic relating to all other things come from the left

2018-03-24 14:42:13 UTC  

You are litterally encouragging xxx

2018-03-24 14:42:46 UTC  

And since when cons dont demant conformity?

2018-03-24 14:43:04 UTC  

Conservatism is supposed to be about the individual.

2018-03-24 14:43:25 UTC  

I thought conservatism was preserving the old values

2018-03-24 14:44:05 UTC  

It is about conserving specific old values, but they have always promoted being about "the individual"

2018-03-24 14:44:11 UTC  

I mean like conservating the left over dinner

2018-03-24 14:44:39 UTC  

rather than resort to stale bread for breakfast

2018-03-24 14:44:48 UTC  

Just toast it

2018-03-24 14:44:59 UTC  

Promoting critical thought

2018-03-24 14:45:18 UTC  

nowadays they promote more critical thought then the left, imo.