With guns or no guns

a lack of guns is absolutely neccesary for dictatorship, yes

Especially since the government has really big guns

before this inevitably turns into the US gun owners vs. the military argument, let me nip that in the bud by saying that isn't what we're talking about

if they violate our basic law

to such a massive extent

goddamn

without a democratic mandate

people will find their weapons

would you guys like to take this shit to <#372513679964635138> or <#412721382003179530> ?

the police and military that oppose this decision will provide their arms as well

the point of the second amendment is to basically hold a preverbial gun to the federal governments head and prevent tyranny from ever starting

Having guns is one of the indicators of a free society, but to claim that not having guns means living in a dictatorship is just obnoxious.

Let's not fall into the trap of dealing with absolutes, the world its not black and white, everything is different shades of grey

to stop another revolution before it is ever neccesary

tbh having a gun is a completely cultural thing

if you go to 99% of countries and talk to them about their right to carry arms they'll look at you like you're a lunatic

*western countries

if you have no means of defending your freedoms then you're just waiting for the next dictator. How many tyrants has europe had in the time the US has existed? a dozen? 20? 30?

@radeon
What will stop a tyrant government is not the guns of the people, it's the will of the people to not live under a dictatorship

It's all about mindset

mindset doesn't stop jackboots.

guns will, though.

we elected our tyrants

the right to bear arms doesn't mean anything if you voluntarily accept tyranny

because you're stupid and lack liberal values

Dude, a gun is an object without magical properties

Non-Americans just dont get it @radeon

Americans don't get it

^

Pay attention to what @Ruggwain is saying

They elected their tyrants

no they have this idea of a street war with brownshirts which has nothing to do with it.

Guns or not guns would mean shit

Because they wanted that

so you're saying just give up?

no

there is no giving up

They wanted that

This is a tyrany with the consent of the electorate

It wasn't a take over

there is no giving up if there is no fight to begin with