Sahih Muslim (31:5917) - "Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger'." (The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaybar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad's son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad's reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.)

Sahih Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us." Ali's reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attacking Khaybar was to convert the people (see above verse).

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Yeah, you don't need to quote them all... it's a lot of verses.

this is old shit. It's the Oil mate

I want to quote it

So I'll quote it

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

I'm getting a headache from her constant evading.

"YEAH BUT IT WAS THE BRITISH"

In Iran it was

I sent you some information earlier that might have helped @Hyddraigon

otherwise I think we did ok

If she's a moral relativist, then she might see no problem in murdering Jews because Hitler got the ball rolling already.

When are the Mongols going to be help responsible for the Siege of Baghdad is what I'm wondering

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Hypatia - Today at 7:48 PM
yes ive said that repeteadly. what part of ‘the only people who interpret it the way you do are terrorists’ dont you get
Valty - Today at 7:49 PM
Okay then
Hypatia - Today at 7:49 PM
your problem is you think the book makes terrorists instead of the terrorists want a book to excuse them
Valty - Today at 7:49 PM
I have interpetated it word for word as it calls, yes?
Then what, might I ask you.
Hypatia - Today at 7:49 PM
you mix up cause and effect
Valty - Today at 7:49 PM
Is stopping then 25,000,000+ Muslims across Europe from interpetating the same thing?
Hypatia - Today at 7:50 PM
the fact that they’re good people and not doing a bad faith reading like you
Valty - Today at 7:50 PM
If this is my knee jerk interp' of the Quran's call for Violence at a first glance.
What is stopping those other 25mil
From interping the same thing
At a glance.
Hypatia - Today at 7:50 PM
they’re not you
for a start"

Ignore her mate

are trying to marry her?

Trying to change someone's mind is a good thing

People don't change

I beg to differ

Sargon used to be a socialist when he was younger

So she admits there's violence in the Quran?

Or does she think the violent verses are only one of infinite interpretations, it's the reader's responsibility to do the mental gymnastics to pretend the violence isn't there?

there's violence in the Bible

>"The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment." (Qur'an 5:33)

In the same way as the Quran saying "Slit the necks of non-believers" @Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 ? I didn't see it

are you sure?

Usually when people point out "look how violent the Bible is", it's some shit from Moses going hardcore on the hebrews for breaking their covenant.

I'm 90% sure, I read it in elementary school.

Trying to talk sense into her

It's worth noting...

*This is my sister*

And this isn't the only time we've had confrontations over different beliefs.

90% when you where a kid

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 If you know verses that go against what I just said, show me.

Also apparently I'm only angry about the Telford rape gangs "because they were Muslim and you're an Islamophobe"

kindly fucko ff

So she hates victims of rape?

@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 Why am I, the Atheist defending Christianity and you the Christian are saying "But Christians are violent too like Muslims!"?

lol

cus we are <:deus_vult:382980746727522305>