* The peaceful western Muslims only have Belief, sometimes Knowledge too, but refuse to Obey.
* Radicalized jihadists usually start with Belief, then Knowledge, then demand (from Imams) for Obedience.

you hate me and I hate you

Holy shit I just realized that ISIS used the term "liberalist" in this article from ages before Sargon started using it lol

I really don't give a shit if you hate me

It helps to understand the reasons they give themselves so you can explain it to those who try to blame it on you or your country for bombing them.

they have their reasons but it wasn't Religion it was Energy

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Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

yes they hate us, they have hated us for many years like thousands of years

Sahih Muslim (31:5917) - "Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger'." (The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaybar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad's son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad's reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.)

Sahih Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us." Ali's reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attacking Khaybar was to convert the people (see above verse).

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Yeah, you don't need to quote them all... it's a lot of verses.

this is old shit. It's the Oil mate

I want to quote it

So I'll quote it

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

I'm getting a headache from her constant evading.

"YEAH BUT IT WAS THE BRITISH"

In Iran it was

I sent you some information earlier that might have helped @Hyddraigon

otherwise I think we did ok

If she's a moral relativist, then she might see no problem in murdering Jews because Hitler got the ball rolling already.

When are the Mongols going to be help responsible for the Siege of Baghdad is what I'm wondering

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Hypatia - Today at 7:48 PM
yes ive said that repeteadly. what part of ‘the only people who interpret it the way you do are terrorists’ dont you get
Valty - Today at 7:49 PM
Okay then
Hypatia - Today at 7:49 PM
your problem is you think the book makes terrorists instead of the terrorists want a book to excuse them
Valty - Today at 7:49 PM
I have interpetated it word for word as it calls, yes?
Then what, might I ask you.
Hypatia - Today at 7:49 PM
you mix up cause and effect
Valty - Today at 7:49 PM
Is stopping then 25,000,000+ Muslims across Europe from interpetating the same thing?
Hypatia - Today at 7:50 PM
the fact that they’re good people and not doing a bad faith reading like you
Valty - Today at 7:50 PM
If this is my knee jerk interp' of the Quran's call for Violence at a first glance.
What is stopping those other 25mil
From interping the same thing
At a glance.
Hypatia - Today at 7:50 PM
they’re not you
for a start"

Ignore her mate

are trying to marry her?

Trying to change someone's mind is a good thing

People don't change

I beg to differ

Sargon used to be a socialist when he was younger

So she admits there's violence in the Quran?

Or does she think the violent verses are only one of infinite interpretations, it's the reader's responsibility to do the mental gymnastics to pretend the violence isn't there?

there's violence in the Bible

>"The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment." (Qur'an 5:33)

In the same way as the Quran saying "Slit the necks of non-believers" @Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 ? I didn't see it

are you sure?

Usually when people point out "look how violent the Bible is", it's some shit from Moses going hardcore on the hebrews for breaking their covenant.

I'm 90% sure, I read it in elementary school.

Trying to talk sense into her