but is it really as bad as it seems from the outside? @Baraban

But they made a lot of mistakes and they keep making them

Hai

One thing they should have done yesterday was to stop celebrating death and murder

I have heard that Israelis themselves are very critical of abuses of power from the state of Israel towards palestinians

@obrallaghan How does it seem from the outside? Also not really sure how bad it is in reality

Yes

I'm critical of that too

@obrallaghan Depends on what Israelis you are talking about

But the Palestinians are not critical at all of murdering Jews, they don't have a left wing because they kill all the lefties

That's a big difference

@Baraban did you not see the headline recently of "Israel kills 11 peaceful protesters" or some such thing

I did hear people saying every Palestinian needs to die

Yes

We got our nutty right wing

But the difference is

Our right wing doesn't throw our left wing off rooftops

@obrallaghan Pretty sure that's a lie

but that is how it is always portrayed

The protesters really aren't very peaceful

Peaceful protesters rioting by the border, sabotaging the fence

There are videos

You have to be biased to deny the reality of the situation

They go there provoking reaction from the IDF

Because it's good PR

They brought a baby to a riot

for the love of god

That's not a sane thing to do

would it really be that hard for any other muslim country to relocate and reintegrate palestinians given all the wealth they have?

No it wouldn't

Especially not relative to the cost of them staying in their perpetual victimhood state

There are still Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, 70 years after.... And they maintain refugee status. Any other group of people would have moved on. The Jews who were displaced from Muslim countries moved on

I did hear in TYT about some Palestinian farmer who happened to be about a mile from the border (because that's where his farm was), and he got killed by a tank shell. No idea why would they bring a tank, let alone fire it. Though I didn't hear about it anywhere else, and I also asked a tank commander friend of mine about it and he didn't hear about it, so no idea if this actually true @obrallaghan

TYT isn't a reliable source

That what I said I don't know if it's true

It's probably a lie or a twist on the truth

Btw they also started some fires inside the Israeli border now

Yes

They're getting killed, and they're loving it. Good PR

"It might be true, you can't disprove it, so TYT isn't wrong."

Well I could believe something like that could happen by accident