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This is the most retarded argument for surveillance I have ever heard

Would it make it better if they did?

No

@Fitzydog please keep it civil

Then a mute reasoning.
My suggestion, for an arguement on it. Go with a company that doesn't record everything per contract, and that you sign the rights to said recordings away.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Sorry, but last time I checked, these private companies didn't have a choice

Read your damned TOS/Contracts.

But that isn't YOUR right, that is the private companies rights.

All companies have to put that in there terms of service you can not avoid it at this point

And if the Companies (That have enough money to fight it in court) don't care.

Then...

They're barred from it, due to gag orders

Um no. A company can being a suit if they wanted to.

The state is extorting your private info from them

Gag orders do not prevent a Company Law Suit

It prevents individual, but not Company.

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???

If the Companies did not want it, they can bring it up to a federal court and start the process.

You as an individual however, waved your right to those recordings/ect when you entered the contract and signed the TOS

There are companies that don't do that. Burner phones ect.

Again you cannot wave rights that are inalienable

Wasn't it the NSA who was recording these conversations prior to the phone companies?

Nope

AT&T and the like have been recording in servers for a LONG time.

Before even the Patriot Act which was the basis of the formation of the NSA

Citation needed

How do you think Courts could Supena phone/text records? lmao

Are you going to give me a citation or not

Is a wiretap a warrantless search, or not?

Give me a damn moment Ma

Fuck I don't shit sources

Does anyone have a link to the Swedish elections

Well fuck. I come with 2.
I didn't realize the NSA has been around since 52.
However, the part we are focusing on didn't start in earnest until 2010.
The Abruptness means the companies already had the infrastructure to do this.
As well calls themselves (As in recordings of) seems rather washy if they actually do that outside of calls "Recorded for Training Purposes" kinda thing. The FCC has regulations on this as well.
Recording Calls: https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-retrieve-phone-conversations-on-verizon-wireless
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/are-cell-phone-conversations-stored-somewhere-and-are-they-retrievable/

'52?

Damn son

As well most have a 10 year backlog or longer
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/05/22/how-long-cellphone-companies-store-your-call-records

Yea the agency was far different back then

And there's been rumors of the NSA wiretap rooms being around for almost 2 decades

It's been almost 2 decades since 2001. lol