If Snowden didn't violate the Security Clearance laws, he probably wouldn't have been touched. tbf

I doubt that

Regardless, what the NSA does to the people of America is in fact a violation of property rights and personal liberties

We shouldnt have to wait for a case to reach the SCOTUS to that fact to become apparent.

Is it? If you give a company the right to store your calls/texts/ect and the NSA taps into that, is that a violation of your right? Since you signed it to the company?

yes? lol

It is as these rights are inalienable that cannot be sacrificed willingly or not

I made a contract with the phone company, not the NSA

No because you signed it to the company, so the rights now belong to said that company.

The phone company owns that info now. And can sell, or give it away

Is the NSA buying it from the phone company?

Welcome to marketing

This is the most retarded argument for surveillance I have ever heard

Would it make it better if they did?

No

@Fitzydog please keep it civil

Then a mute reasoning.
My suggestion, for an arguement on it. Go with a company that doesn't record everything per contract, and that you sign the rights to said recordings away.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Sorry, but last time I checked, these private companies didn't have a choice

Read your damned TOS/Contracts.

But that isn't YOUR right, that is the private companies rights.

All companies have to put that in there terms of service you can not avoid it at this point

And if the Companies (That have enough money to fight it in court) don't care.

Then...

They're barred from it, due to gag orders

Um no. A company can being a suit if they wanted to.

The state is extorting your private info from them

Gag orders do not prevent a Company Law Suit

It prevents individual, but not Company.

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???

If the Companies did not want it, they can bring it up to a federal court and start the process.

You as an individual however, waved your right to those recordings/ect when you entered the contract and signed the TOS

There are companies that don't do that. Burner phones ect.

Again you cannot wave rights that are inalienable

Wasn't it the NSA who was recording these conversations prior to the phone companies?

Nope

AT&T and the like have been recording in servers for a LONG time.

Before even the Patriot Act which was the basis of the formation of the NSA

Citation needed

How do you think Courts could Supena phone/text records? lmao

Are you going to give me a citation or not