There is a sea of philosophy out there, secular philosophy, which underpins moral reasoning, which has moved society throughout the ages. That is how we can reason things are right or wrong and find common agreement. When enough people agree we can have a society. It's that simple. But because morals aren't God given or permanent, but depend on the individual, there are people from every range of beliefs you can imagine. There will always be people who don't give a shit about having slaves, who will rape and murder. Where is their permanent morality? Doesn't exist. If we only took our lessons from religion then society would stagnate, like Islam for the past 700 bloody years.

Well Islam's gone down the shitter

Well i am not talking about islam

They used to do ok, even compared to Europe

@Roarey I would argue that that "sea of philosophy" *is* God, in a way.

Doesn't matter which religion it is

Also secular philosophy has almost nothing objective in those terms

That's because morality isn't objective.

Wrong

lol

It is subjective, if it was objective it would remain the same forever

@Roarey inb4 MUH SUBJECTIVE MORALITY

@M4Gunner i would agree but you grew up in a world which rests on certain christian truths about man

secularism is like taking the safety off the gun

@Roarey Let me say it once again, for the people in back:

"THE UBIQUITY OF MORALITY IS NOT THE SAME AS ITS OBJECTIVITY"

All positions held without evidence are equally wrong in my opinion, I don't see why religion gets treated with such reverence while things with the exact same amount of evidence (none) are laughed at, such as flat earthers or Illuminati retards

@Fitzydog where is this ubiquity?

@Fitzydog why dont people listen <:think_woke:378717098681171988>

@Roarey You mean its *lack*?

@radeon don’t forget about 9/11 “truthers”

@Fitzydog I've no idea what the fuck you're on about now lol.

Someone ask bakeon for evidence of the law of identity

that it is true

and always has been true

@Deleted User Could you elaborate on that "safety" comment?

Sure

He’s a BK

They at least have a real historical event to base their beliefs on instead of a hybrid mythology written by bronze age Hebrew shepards

Yeah, safety, like the good old days of burning heretics

@Roarey Just because slavery was *ubiquitous* in ancient times, does not mean it was "moral". It was just as reprehensible back then as it is now

@Fitzydog only by our standards

Still do the shit in qatar

How do Christians rationalize the presence of texts that clearly predate Judaism that various biblical texts are clearly exact or near exact copies of?

@Roarey And that's why the Muslims are objectively less moral than us.

Hammurabi etc

@radeon this is mine meme

That a society that mores towards secularism while they may still have the structure that was built by theism beneath them, remove that structure as they move away from it

thus removing the foundation

or safety

@Deleted User yep pretty much, or go full creationist and claim that the Torah was first and the Babylonians copied the Torah which of course didn't exist yet