Message from @Follow Doctor Freeman
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**Lutinmetzger#6471** was cleansed from the server.
It would have been a good time when he first became a judge, or when he became a federal district judge, or when he became a federal appeals court judge.
**Queenie#7912** was cleansed from the server.
Or when it happened
**[SynCo]DandereNinja#2642** was cleansed from the server.
What the fuck kind of Steven Universe bullshit are you spewing out at me son?
**Obesity#0331** was cleansed from the server.
I kinda want to see them try the nuclear option.
At least for a few days.
Don't let your bluffs be bluffs
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@M4Gunner Well, maybe there will still be a market for garbageware for PewDiePie or whoever to screech at. Or maybe you could be the one to do the screeching! Just don't make jokes that are too edgy.
Eyyyy, here's some good news. https://www.dailywire.com/news/36217/flames-michael-moores-new-anti-trump-movie-joseph-curl
Did better than *Michael Moore in Trumpland,* though. That made only about $150,00 TOTAL if I understand correctly.
I haven't seen his latest nonsense since going to see that in a theater is as inviting as watching 2 hours of Democratic Party campaign commercials, but I wonder what about this film isn't totally redundant compared to Moore in Trumpland.
How does one argue against the absurdity of the intent fallacy
@Shurik As in, someone saying "you're wrong because you just want us to do this"?
Literature. Authorial intent
I think the intent fallacy is rather emotionally driven, so you could try to make the debate as objective as possible. Maybe go for something among the lines of "My intent is irrelevant to the discussion, and even if it was, you're best off addressing my points in order to foil my intent, instead of the other way around."
Like on one hand you have to give the devil his due and say yea the authors intent dosen't matter. On the other hand reading the back and forth between Asimov and Heinlein is something else. The amount of points and counter points they throw at each other with each consecutive book makes the books all that more meaningful
I don't want to break down the argument into the extreme and say when Shakespeare wrote gay he mentioned happy and not homosexual. But I feel like it's the kind of absurdity I would have to break down to.
Oh, in that case, I do like to know intent. I was thinking in a n argument between two people and one trying to discredit the other, not bringing an authority source into the matter.
I was specifically talking about interpretations of literature
Another good example would be the 2nd Amendment having Thomas Jefferson say that the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be infringed (will source if needed). I'm all for intent as context.
Like the authors intent isn't the end all and be all of interpretation of a text. It should at least be an interpretertation of the text.
I prefer to look at execution over intent in terms of works of art, but intent is absolutely helpful in terms of theory or philosophy or what have you, because intent isn't just a goal in those cases, it's essential context.
Execution should be like 50-60% of the interpretation of the literature, the rest is context. Historical, literatrary.
Well, execution in terms of narrative, anyway. Intent is a lot more helpful for works of nonfiction.
Like when one reads something like the Gulag Archipelago. You can't say that the authors intent wasn't to destroy the idea of sociallism and communism.
Oh yeah, Alex (can't spell his name right in full) totally intended that. And I think the execution speaks for itself, but intent is good there, too.
As far as what I mean with execution being more important than intent with works of fiction, I mean bad works that may been cool in concept. Or, hey, maybe even good works that could be accidentally better than intended. There's tons of little foreboding details in Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho (a painting of a swamp in the protagonist's office and other foreboding details hinting at her fate) that many people debate were intended or just the result of others looking into it really deeply, but either way, those details enhance the movie. Something like a political message, however, is best to be investigated as much as possible, because a misinterpretation there could cause harm or confusion.
Like the perfect example of good concept, bad execution is Ready Player One. It tries to do social criticism using vr and videogames but utterly fails at it.
A book similar to it that actually makes it work is Snow Crash.
Haven't heard of Snow crash, but if it pulls off that idea well, I should check it out. Thanks!
Usually.
They are long thou
I'm always interested by works with a certain intent that end up backfiring, like how the Soviets screened The Grapes of Wrath to besmirch the US but ended up achieving the opposite effect since everyone there was amazed we even had cars here.
I've read 3, Snow Crash, The Cryptonomicon, and The SevenEves.
I still think snow crash is his best book of the 3