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idc tho

@Antiboom you are in agreement with me on this one

im not denying

I wouldn't hold soviet testaments up there to be quite honest with you. The motherfuckers would come up with all sorts of shit just to coerce people into the fold. Take at look at the kind of shit they tried to force into Hartmann. As for testimonies, they found it to be inconsistent number one, and quite frankly, if you're a group that has been 2nd grade citizens (which I obviously don't deny) if not worse, I wouldn't be surprised if they exaggerated to make it worse, which where the inconsistencies come from in part. And yeah the western treatment of PoW's was pretty good.

Also the testament of German citizens the allies forced to help bury the dead after liberating the camps

Anyway, the claim that humans are naturally competitive and dont tend to work together is something that doesnt check out, and contradicts our evolutionary history and biological nature

Lol wut?

Nigga plz

Not to mention all the evidence presented at Nuremberg, including confessions

strange

damn the nazis were jewish shills

fuk

> humans are not naturally competitive

Oh okay, then I guess tribes killed each other for no reason, and sports are a mystery

niggas had no loyalty

@DankMemez not entirely, I think in order to cultivate that it would require a fundamental change in human biology and psychology, one that would eliminate a large amount of individual thinking, which I don't think should be sacrificed

@Fitzydog the fact that we've had tribes for such a long time, confirms my point. stop taking things to an absolute

This dank memez guy is a journo shill

well i thought the shitty meme was a give away

@DankMemez <:thronk:441701565607444482>

@Antiboom again, dont take this to an absolute. re-read what i previously said

isn't that like a 4 month old meme

So because you are unable to extrapolate upwards and incorporate the concept of teamwork, you think we're not comepetetive? @DankMemez

Yes, we totes are gonna take the testament of people that went onto living in a period that throughout deconstructed and prosecuted the previous regime (much of it justifiably so) as legitimate. Not like they would've been beaten otherwise or anything. Likewise, I don't think that any testament taken from people who commented about the Third Reich under the Third Reich to have any substantial value, for the record. Their actual thoughts would have been hidden because it was more important for them to make it through the day than be thrown into a cell.

**Kevin#0666** was cleansed from the server.

rip

lol

they gonna die anyway

why would they lie

@DankMemez not entirely eliminate, but partially. Even within tribalistic systems men still compete for leadership, and when you're against 30-40 other men that's viable but when you're against 100,000,000 others it's significantly less so, which leads to conflict as everyone tries to get top spot.

@Fitzydog ok so in your mind, either we are competitive or cooperative. black or white. no nuance then. no degrees

if anything they would say they didnt do it

@DankMemez I don't think that's what any of us are saying

> people are tribal and find the weirdest thing to compete over

SEE?!? Tribes mean we can have communism

Jesus fucking Christ

You can def cooperate while also competing.

@Fitzydog that literally made no sense. try again

@DankMemez That's the exact fucking opposite of what I just said

I think this has been a productive debate, but I have stuff I need to deal with irl rn, so I'll talk to you later

yeah

@DankMemez eh, made sense to me, I think you just need to think about it differently

maybe if he describes it differently