Nah I am just exploring how we view honesty as a concept, not justifying anything.

Say for example if you're on a diet. And fall back into eating bad but lie to yourself through a variety of different ways. There's probably better examples but i am le tired

Oh those big people that say yeah I eat healthy I don't understand why I'm big

It's just that we lie a LOT, and we develop to be better and better liars, and better at detecting lies. It seems to be a very defining part of human society.

Well because you're a liar and not hard enough on yourself

So denial

It's still a lie

I suppose. But does it make any difference that you aren't aware that you're lying to yourself?

Like is it less bad?

We lie because we hate ourselves and try to turn reality into what we want it to be, instead of what it is

We also lie for good reasons. To protect other peoples' feelings for instance.

If you aren't aware you're lying to yourself that just makes you naive which is multitudes worse

Its still altering reality and not accepting fact

@HungBunny Morally worse?

Worse because now you're dumb and a liar

Truth can be said in loving manner too. Lies are the need to control others.

God isn't real so who's really the one lying to themselves <:think_woke:378717098681171988>

Being self critical can be really tough. When you dig inside yourself you will find a lot of hypocrisy if you've never done it

I disagree. Someone that believes something without any realization that it is incorrect, is behaving in the same manner that a person who believes they are right does.

there is a group of christcucks who hang outside my local super market. i never feel like approaching them, but part of me always hopes their approach me so i can btfo them and convert them to athiesm <:pepe_smug:560207654207750154>

And intent should matter.

Atheists are big gay too

So

Just in a different way

😢

If I tell myself I'm healthy and activr

But I'm really over weight

That's a lie

Do you 100% believe that you are though?

It doesn't matter if I don't realise that I am lying to myself. It's still a lie

True

But there is no ill intent

i always thought lies require knowledge of falsehood

Correct but then it's just nativity

Right

like, if i tell you something incorrect in good faith - that's me making a mistake - not a lie

True, that's what I've been getting at.

Being wrong vs being a liar.

People usually only have ill intent towards themselves if they're depressed

I know a few depressed people and they always seem to be caught up in dramas originating from lies in some form

They have a right to have "ill intent" towards themselves though