Consciousness is real, we just dunno what the fuck it exactly is

Or why its there.

Never heard someone say it's not real.

Derren Brown has an example in one of his shows. He has people backstage do a task and score themselves with an empty room and they just about all lied (they were being filmed)

Also, do you view lying and honesty as the same thing?

I think there is some nuance there.

He had another group also left alone. But before the stage hand left he mentions not to touch a specific antique chair, and says something like "they say it's haunted or something silly, like there's a presence around it"

Everyone of that group didn't cheat the test because they felt like they were being watched

What do you mean?

I think if someone purposefully gave themselves a higher score on that test that's lying

Like is it dishonest specifically because you lied, or is there another factor?

Like intent, or content?

Sounds like justifications

If you say a falsehood out of ignorance for instance, it is technically a lie, but it isn't really dishonest. Right?

I mean when you know you're lying, especially to yourself

Nah I am just exploring how we view honesty as a concept, not justifying anything.

Say for example if you're on a diet. And fall back into eating bad but lie to yourself through a variety of different ways. There's probably better examples but i am le tired

Oh those big people that say yeah I eat healthy I don't understand why I'm big

It's just that we lie a LOT, and we develop to be better and better liars, and better at detecting lies. It seems to be a very defining part of human society.

Well because you're a liar and not hard enough on yourself

So denial

It's still a lie

I suppose. But does it make any difference that you aren't aware that you're lying to yourself?

Like is it less bad?

We lie because we hate ourselves and try to turn reality into what we want it to be, instead of what it is

We also lie for good reasons. To protect other peoples' feelings for instance.

If you aren't aware you're lying to yourself that just makes you naive which is multitudes worse

Its still altering reality and not accepting fact

@HungBunny Morally worse?

Worse because now you're dumb and a liar

Truth can be said in loving manner too. Lies are the need to control others.

God isn't real so who's really the one lying to themselves <:think_woke:378717098681171988>

Being self critical can be really tough. When you dig inside yourself you will find a lot of hypocrisy if you've never done it

I disagree. Someone that believes something without any realization that it is incorrect, is behaving in the same manner that a person who believes they are right does.

there is a group of christcucks who hang outside my local super market. i never feel like approaching them, but part of me always hopes their approach me so i can btfo them and convert them to athiesm <:pepe_smug:560207654207750154>

And intent should matter.

Atheists are big gay too

So

Just in a different way

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If I tell myself I'm healthy and activr

But I'm really over weight