Message from @Phil

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2019-04-12 11:55:36 UTC  

@InsaneCaterpilla could always open up a civil suit

2019-04-12 11:56:03 UTC  

imprisoning someone isn't going to help, lost money might

2019-04-12 11:57:01 UTC  

People can rely on others for their lifestyle. They can't do that in prison

2019-04-12 11:57:11 UTC  

yeah, but the taxpayers man

2019-04-12 11:58:13 UTC  

I'm a supporter of a good prison system, and personally don't mind that my taxes go toward keeping prisoners alive and reforming them to be positive contributors to society.

2019-04-12 11:59:02 UTC  

what happens if that person will never be a contributor to society or a net drain?

2019-04-12 11:59:38 UTC  

Then that is a failing of society, not just the individual

2019-04-12 11:59:51 UTC  

perhaps

2019-04-12 12:00:16 UTC  

do you believe in capital punishment?

2019-04-12 12:00:22 UTC  

No

2019-04-12 12:00:44 UTC  

but life sentence is fine?

2019-04-12 12:02:43 UTC  

Being in prison the rest of your life, to me, is worse than death, but I feel its's acceptable because a society shouldn't murder its own members unless it can help it. The death penalty can be abused and the innocent cannot reclaim their lives.

In the above I'm assuming you mean a life sentence means life, as the majority of the time it doesn't.

2019-04-12 12:03:11 UTC  

yeah, because the thing is

2019-04-12 12:03:23 UTC  

I support capital punishment but in certain cases only

2019-04-12 12:03:47 UTC  

the reason why people don't support capital punishment is because of the way its handed out

2019-04-12 12:04:34 UTC  

i don't support it because the judge and jury are people and they make mistakes

2019-04-12 12:05:06 UTC  

There are all kinds of things that can be done to reform criminals into useful, positive people, and although I am not removing blame from people for the actions they choose to commit, to a certain extent society has produced this person

2019-04-12 12:05:07 UTC  

I have trust in my country's judicial system

2019-04-12 12:05:16 UTC  

but in other country's ones

2019-04-12 12:05:17 UTC  

not so

2019-04-12 12:05:48 UTC  

it's not about trust, it's about people making mistakes which can and does happen

2019-04-12 12:06:04 UTC  

what about corporal punishment, or public shaming

2019-04-12 12:06:08 UTC  

sure, but what happens if its beyond a doubt

2019-04-12 12:06:15 UTC  

I come from singapore

2019-04-12 12:06:20 UTC  

we're famous for caning people

2019-04-12 12:06:32 UTC  

but nobody questions the process because we're rigourous on it

2019-04-12 12:06:56 UTC  

it is supposed to be beyond reasonable doubt, but even in good systems mistakes happen

2019-04-12 12:07:07 UTC  

and a capital punishment is not a mistake that can be fixed

2019-04-12 12:07:22 UTC  

yes, that's why even in singapore, we don't dish it out regularly

2019-04-12 12:09:08 UTC  

people think we cane everyone or we hang every single drug trafficker we lay our hands on

2019-04-12 12:09:10 UTC  

that's incorrect

2019-04-12 12:09:20 UTC  

plus death row in the us is gendered

2019-04-12 12:09:29 UTC  

98% of death row inmates were male

2019-04-12 12:09:33 UTC  

oh

2019-04-12 12:09:37 UTC  

yeah, then that's the problem

2019-04-12 12:09:42 UTC  

we hang both genders regardless

2019-04-12 12:09:49 UTC  

the law is blind to gender

2019-04-12 12:10:02 UTC  

i'm more for not hanging anyone but i get your point of view

2019-04-12 12:10:25 UTC  

I think capital punishment should not be used unless for the most sinister of crimes

2019-04-12 12:10:29 UTC  

when its beyond a doubt

2019-04-12 12:11:14 UTC  

justice has to speak up for the vicitim