the government is supposed to protect its citizens even if they are criminal and they have no right to kill them

war is state sanctioned murder

governments have every legal right to declare it

yea but it's murder of other nations' citizens

not that it's a good thing

still murder morally

the question is whether justice should be upheld

or morality

well i think morality is deeply subjective, that's why we have written laws

yes, but morality and justice goes hand in hand

laws and morality

laws are based on morality, but they are not the same thing

I'm saying they're linked and they complement one another

yes but the laws are what should be enforced

here's another problem

what happens if you commit a crime in another country

a judge can't imprison a person because they think what they did is wrong, they can only imprison people that violated the law

which has the death penalty

and you committed a crime which calls for it

by that country's laws

well that does happen

of course it does

singapore has hanged as many foreign nationals

as it does locals

usually there are diplomatic deals involved with that

yes and no

again, principles

it ultimately comes down to politics

for example if a us national gets sentenced for the death penalty in a country in which the us has power over, they can get them back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flor_Contemplacion <- here's one of the more famous examples

yeah

we got into hot soup over the canning of that american guy

that must have been a shitty situation

actually I'm more for the plight of migrant workers here though

you will have people from poorer countries wanting to go to richer countries to work

exploitation isn't restricted to the US

but a crime is a crime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay

we don't do this anymore, usually we try to quietly sweep the matter under the table

but once it gets out to the media...

moral of the story, don't do stupid shit right?