Hi, it's Maito_Guy from Reddit

Hi

How goes

Good thanks, you?

Hello @MaitoGuy

I've just aproved you. :) How are you doing?

Hello @Claudiu (aka CallOfVodka) !

Hello guys, I found this Discord on Reddit r/Mensrights. I saw and experienced enough hypocritical bullshit against men in order tgo make me support the MRM or MGTOW.


Btw, I'm 20 and from France

Hello, CallofVodka. Forgive me for questioning you as soon as you show up, but I've heard a rumor that France will not allow a man to get a paternity test without the mother's consent. Have you heard anything about this? If so, is it true?

@Men Are Human Awesome thanks, you?

hi everyone i saw this on Reddit and i was curious about learning more about men's rights issues

@buddingbimbo Anything in particular that you where curious about?

i guess i'd read alot of negative things written by other people and i wanted to know what men's rights people actually believed about like discrimination and rape and stuff

That they are equally bad regardless of who they happen to and deserve to be treated as such legally

@apeironman it is indeed

so like what about the gender pay gap?

Rape for instance is perpetrated in comparable numbers by men and women and men and women are victimised equally but female perpetrated rape is ignored and not punished, male victims do not get the services and support they need. The pay gap is a myth, there is a gap only if you ignore job role, hours worked, experience and other controlling factors.

what is your evidence for that?

@Claudiu (aka CallOfVodka) good grief. I didn't want to believe it or thought it might have been a bit of journalistic hyperbole. So, what's to prevent any woman from claiming any man is the father of her child? Does she at the very least have to show some evidence that they know each other? Or could she just walk out onto the street, point at the next man walking by and claim: "you are the father of my child."

Because every study I have read claiming the pay gap exists does not control for those factors, every study that controls for those factors shows their is no pay gap. Apart from anything else it would be illegal to pay women less for the same work in every western nation.

sorry i was actually wondering more about the rape being perpetrated by women as much as men

but even if there are problems with studies claiming a gap, that doesn't prove there is no gap, does there?

@MaitoGuy Right? Why would any man have a job at all if an employer could pay a woman less for the same work? I know I wouldn't...

The studies that control for relevant factors do prove that there is no pay gap though

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/ Study on rape prevelance

wow

It shows a lot of surprising data, women rape each other in prison more often than male inmates for instance

oh i didn't see that part, i was looking at the part about the CDC finding the same nonconcensual sex for men and women

but the CDC study it references

https://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

says that 18.3% of women and 1.4% of men are raped? That's pretty different?

Yes because the don't define female perpetration as rape

The study explains that

sorry i haven't found that part, it's really long 😃

No problem, they define men being raped by women as "made to penetrate" in the CDC study