imo the bible was intended to convey ideas, not serve as a factual reference doc

divine wisdom?

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@SirW00f Of course, you do not have everything in the Bible, just because God's history can't be confined inside a book. But the Bible remains the main support to start to learn about who is God and what He expects from us here, on Earth

one does not need proof of god for all of existence is a proof of god

you can't prove that 😛

we're not god til we can make whole universes ..virtual gaming environments don't count as 'god like' behavior

well the bible states that we are god's children

so then he would have had to create humans out of fragments of himself

which is the only concept of god that makes any real sense to me

@DaveyJones Yes, but only from the moment that you believe in Him, otherwise you're just a God's creature

lol belief is irrelevant in this model

if you work out the logic to it's end you end up with a universe with a god that would be utterly identical to the same universe without agod

@DaveyJones Without God, none creation will exist : univers shall not exist, you and i shall not exist either

you don't know that

belief without god to some is considered logical, but without god logic makes no sense

but i don't mean to argue the existence of god, just illustrating where i stand

imo belief and knowledge are mutually exclusive

one does not leave room for the other

faith in research into making things happen or change infront of u is basis for rational thinking and observational behavior, u cannot setup the tenants of logical thinking without belief

and only can belief happen via observational theory which is logical

you don't need faith to come up with an experiment or carry it out

you confuse belief with curiosity

faith is = "i hope this works, i hope this works"

there is no hoping in science

actually theres alot more of it than u realize

i mean humans often inject it into the equation, but it serves no purposethere

discoveries don't happen without faith in theories

often science is jut a process of banging shit together to see what happens

and thru experimentation

you don't even need a theory dude

all you need as a desire to know, and a grasp of basic logic

theory happens before ppl tend to bang shit together...other wise ur nothing but an animal

i disagree

bro used to have a dog that could sneak out of any yard

takes some rational thinking and observations and trial and error to do such feats

not really

all it takes is a desire to escape, and an effort to make it happen

@DaveyJones Even the scientists knows God's existence, but they unofficially are not allowed to admit His existence. DS too knows that God really exists. That's why they so hardly fight against His creation and His children.