It’s a very 2 dimensional view of politics, he’s ignoring the irreconcilable differences even the centre left and right have with each other.

@BabyHenry natural and normal according to observable nature is not a path i assume you would want to take in terms of an argument

Natural maybe not

concerning homosexuals, it seems that whenever they express a collective political attitude concerning their sexuality, its directly aimed at and seeks to deconstruct the norms of marriage that have existed throughout all societies

But normal is factual

As it's sexuality

normal is normative

And attraction

In every single race

Culture

And religion

In history

were not talking about its mere existence but instead the response to it, right?

See that's my thing

Yes

I see why some people are against it

Based on the issues they have

Sexually

Promiscuous etc, I wont deny it's very bad

if were going by that logic, it would be just as normal to oppress homosexuals in Islamic influenced societies as it would be to come across their existence.

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But that's normal in general

No difference from discriminating blacks

Discrimination is normal

Don't make it good

The argument is what gays do to society

And how that can be ameliorated

Do you define good in terms of promoting behavior?

yeah, so whats the specification outside of normalcy?

So you don't want to use natural or normal at all I'm guessing?

That makes it easier for me then

yeah, how would you improve their role in society

Well here is what I was suggesting

Good & Bad are subjective, morality is determined by which principles each party accepts

Any argument for Good must be justified by enabling a principle upheld by a party

@Deleted User havent seen you in awhile

I have risen

I believe we're different as homosexuals and heterosexuals are not the same, emotionally, sexually or mentally. I believe gender roles should be encouraged in heterosexuals and that should be a good way to distinguish the differences between gays and straights, for homosexuals I'd impose that they go based on classical greek homosexuality in which they're is no man or female. Just equality within the relationship, the Sacred band of thebes for example. They were on equal level and in result were one of the violent and most successful military unit. I feel gays and heterosexuals should be seen differently in regards to what they do in why. Things like marriage would go to heterosexuality because it falls in like with their gender roles and reproduction. Homosexuality has no use for that.

Today, gays and straights are integrated together

When we aren't the same at all

A straight man needs a female to finish that balance, but a gay man isn't like a straight man so that balance will not work out for him.