Message from @LordHashbrown

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2020-10-22 12:08:35 UTC  

sure they had them early 19th century

2020-10-22 12:09:39 UTC  

slavery was still unofficially going on in a lot of colonies

2020-10-22 12:11:04 UTC  

idk about that but ill assume youre right. but its trade was largely eliminated after 1840s

2020-10-22 12:11:51 UTC  

the economic worth of slaves were diminishing anyways

2020-10-22 12:14:19 UTC  

Even then the only place to have slight economic worth would be India

2020-10-22 12:14:34 UTC  

But none of the oceanias were that wealthy

2020-10-22 12:15:29 UTC  

And wasnt the colonization of america like in 1490s

2020-10-22 12:15:30 UTC  

India, China, North America, Carribbean, South America were all profitable.

now look who was colonised first.

2020-10-22 12:15:53 UTC  

1600s-1700s was the golden age of colonization

2020-10-22 12:16:14 UTC  

So were looking at the entire history of capitilalism?

2020-10-22 12:16:46 UTC  

I believe you could see why thatd be a bit skewed

2020-10-22 12:17:31 UTC  

Comparing all deaths to the long lasting capitalism to the relatively new idea of socialism is a bit unfair

2020-10-22 12:17:40 UTC  

well yes, it's the same argument anti communists use

2020-10-22 12:17:53 UTC  

I think claiming a system killed 100 million people on no clear evidence is a little unfair

2020-10-22 12:18:01 UTC  

which is common

2020-10-22 12:18:03 UTC  

No

2020-10-22 12:18:13 UTC  

It was 60 million, the commonly accepted number

2020-10-22 12:18:31 UTC  

Im saying that since capitalism has been around longer so itd only make sense that itd kill so many

2020-10-22 12:18:42 UTC  

its important to note here all the numbers used are the bare minimum

2020-10-22 12:18:52 UTC  

conservative death tolls

2020-10-22 12:19:06 UTC  

5000 deaths for the brunei revolution is very generous

2020-10-22 12:19:09 UTC  

Im talking about the time frame

2020-10-22 12:19:21 UTC  

Not the deaths themselves

2020-10-22 12:19:43 UTC  

you put capitalism midway through the race while you've only just started with socialism

2020-10-22 12:21:08 UTC  

Its a bit unfair to compare the hundreds of years that capitalism has exist to the very very new idea of socialism

2020-10-22 12:21:20 UTC  

socialism has existed since the early 1800s

2020-10-22 12:21:46 UTC  

the earliest my chart goes is late 1600s as far as I know

2020-10-22 12:21:55 UTC  

that gives it 100 year headstart?

2020-10-22 12:21:59 UTC  

I don't see a huge gap here

2020-10-22 12:22:20 UTC  

the type of socialism that people are trying to get

2020-10-22 12:22:29 UTC  

Like the soviet unions style of socialism

2020-10-22 12:22:46 UTC  

Marxism was scientific socialism that no country fully adopted

2020-10-22 12:22:57 UTC  

until 1900s

2020-10-22 12:23:33 UTC  

Yes socialism has existed since 1830 at the earliest as far as I know. although socialist societies existed since the 1100s.

2020-10-22 12:23:42 UTC  

they just didnt know what socialism was

2020-10-22 12:23:45 UTC  

they followed it

2020-10-22 12:25:09 UTC  

No country adopted Marxism sure there were people who thought of its ideas but no country took part in managing themselves like that

2020-10-22 12:25:36 UTC  

no, that's only one form of socialism though

2020-10-22 12:25:48 UTC  

groups have used some socialist forms since the beginning of history

2020-10-22 12:25:48 UTC  

Socialism in broad

2020-10-22 12:25:59 UTC  

the first socialist party was elected in 1899