@CdubeJr hey, sorry for the mistaken warn, bud. i cleared the warn for you

nothing to be gained here

are we talking about Alpha saying that the Army needs to follow orders?

Mhm

That's an opinion that a lot of people have

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I'm personally conflicted on the matter but that's part of why I don't think I could join the military

"Soldiers should obey orders from authority figures they disagree with."
*Libertism*

I feel like

Thw military

Should be able to resist orders that are unlawful

okay yall keep diggin... ffs

Not their leaders

I disagree

But how do you know that an order is unlawful, when all you can see is what's in front of you, not the whole picture?

If the military was forced to commit genocide

Germany is doing that after world war two

I would abree

Agree*

To let the military to not obey

Have we been ordered to?

The exact same principle could hold to an unlawful order. How do you know the full context?

No, but its an example

They were ordered to line a street for protection of a presidential detail, take politics out, and it's very much lawful.

The Germans also know a thing or two about it though

@Abby/15/BLM/LGBT/ a lot of people like to think they would do the right thing in that situation, but it's not as simple as that. I think that troops turning their backs to a man they deem as a traitor is fine, he has no control over them yet

Alpha-57 is the most authoritarian libertarian I've ever met.

I'm agreeing they shouldn't face away from their leader

i doubt that @Kreia's Disciple haha

This is why it's sus. Because I was an ancap for a long time. And you're not acting like any libertarian I have ever seen.

I never said anyone should be forced to live that life, they chose to join. There are consequences that accompany choice.

I've heard plenty of stories of troops who disobey orders and become heroes, but that's still not what they're supposed to do.

Ehhh

they are condemned

sometimes it's for the better, and they come out as heroes, but otherwise, that's disobeying orders

there are plenty of little would be despots who love to wear the cloak of libertarianism but can barely define the non aggression principle let alone practice it

I prefer to be shot doing the right thing and not shot under an unjusorder

right, but soldiers are soldiers because they listen to their superior. If every soldier had his way, the military would be a dumpster fire

At this point, I'd just be happy being shot.

Ikr

and with that im out entirely have fun mods