.45 just makes sense from a production standpoint

.30 provides as much stopping power at 1,000 feet as a .357 at the muzzle *I believe* (if somebody wants to correct me, I have no problems, with that). And it's more accurate at longer ranges to boot, very helpful if you've got a two handed weapon that can make single shots.

From a production standpoint? Absolutely.

Except the Grease gun and Thompson are submachine guns

You don't need range

You can make single shots with them.

For range you have .308

That's why I have a AR-10 instead of a 15.

If you want the optimal subgun round, I'd say 9mm in terms of recoil, .30 in terms of range. But the .45 is outdated.

*I am not saying it should be illegal to own a subgun in .45, I am saying the default production model should be in something else.* Keep the free markets free, I think you should absolutely be able to own a .45 greasegun if you want to.

And there would be plenty of people who want it, so I'm sure there would be a model.

You like the .45, and I respect that. It was a great round in history.

I'm running to grab some caffiene, I will be back. It's been fun, Bourbon. I've enjoyed the company.

If you're still here, we can pick up again.

I was folding laundry

I'd certainly like to have you in a D20 modern group, because in terms of play style, you and me are very similar. A lot of choices I make in TTRPG's are done because *screw the optimal build, I wanna be me*.

I want to be sneaky but carry a longsword

Why? Because fuck the rules

Right? I know.

Bolt action rifles are obsolete? Let's see how obsolete you think they are when I put a .303 round through your skull at 300 meters.

*Laughs in .338 lapua magnum.*

C-14 timberwolf is best rifle

"Your character must use a rifle"
How about C4 instead?

Just looked up the C-14, can't lie it's pretty awesome.

Right.

"You must sneak in."
"I start a fire."
"....Why?"
"You said we needed to sneak in. This is a great time for diversionary tactics."

"You must kill him"

I make him my bitch
"Why?"
That's death in a way

Yup.

**crowder miraculously appears out of the clouds in the sky and gives us all Walther P99s**

What's that chambered in, again?

i think 9 lemme check

9, .40, and 9IMI

yep

what i thought

Y’all talking about guns or DND?

What caliber is an AR10?

9mm parabellum is the only 9 mil I use

Both, and an Ar-10 is .308 or 7.62 depending on which barrel you're using.

iirc theres also an ar10 chambered in 6.5 creedmoor

Europeans "9mm short"
Americans ".380 ACP"
Russians "Screw you, hand me the makarov."

Makarov ammo is just fat 9mm

Literally just the Soviets saying "You don't get to use our bullets in your guns."