Because nobody was buying .30 ammo anymore.

Make it yourself

Eh...as a hobby, you can do that, sure. I mean we should have implemented it as a more widespread round. It would have been great in the thompson, would have been great in the m3 grease gun.

There's still reloaders and case makers for it

Eh

Not in the Grease gun

Would have been great in most modern SMG's.

Why not?

Well because the Grease gun has such a low firerate and such little recoil with .45

Why downgrade it?

The .30 is superior to the .45

I disagree

How so?

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I prefer the .45

I just do

Just like I prefer 5.45 to 5.56

357 to 44

Alrighty. I'm not going to debate on the merits of personal preferences, you can like what you like. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be an option to buy the M3 greasegun chambered in .45.

What I'm saying is that I believe the default round should have been .30 Carbine based on ballistics testing.

.30 was much less common at the time

.45 just makes sense from a production standpoint

.30 provides as much stopping power at 1,000 feet as a .357 at the muzzle *I believe* (if somebody wants to correct me, I have no problems, with that). And it's more accurate at longer ranges to boot, very helpful if you've got a two handed weapon that can make single shots.

From a production standpoint? Absolutely.

Except the Grease gun and Thompson are submachine guns

You don't need range

You can make single shots with them.

For range you have .308

That's why I have a AR-10 instead of a 15.

If you want the optimal subgun round, I'd say 9mm in terms of recoil, .30 in terms of range. But the .45 is outdated.

*I am not saying it should be illegal to own a subgun in .45, I am saying the default production model should be in something else.* Keep the free markets free, I think you should absolutely be able to own a .45 greasegun if you want to.

And there would be plenty of people who want it, so I'm sure there would be a model.

You like the .45, and I respect that. It was a great round in history.

I'm running to grab some caffiene, I will be back. It's been fun, Bourbon. I've enjoyed the company.

If you're still here, we can pick up again.

I was folding laundry

I'd certainly like to have you in a D20 modern group, because in terms of play style, you and me are very similar. A lot of choices I make in TTRPG's are done because *screw the optimal build, I wanna be me*.

I want to be sneaky but carry a longsword

Why? Because fuck the rules

Right? I know.

Bolt action rifles are obsolete? Let's see how obsolete you think they are when I put a .303 round through your skull at 300 meters.

*Laughs in .338 lapua magnum.*

C-14 timberwolf is best rifle