Message from @ImNotGas

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2021-01-16 03:18:55 UTC  

The best way to combat it, is to try and make people see reason rather than shoving them underground.

2021-01-16 03:19:42 UTC  

What YT/Twitter was doing with contentious/conspiracy content before by tagging them and saying: "Hey, this sounds kinda unreasonable, maybe check out some of the stuff you're being told" is probably the best idea of a system to combat it they've had.

2021-01-16 03:23:19 UTC  

Or it flags it with a 'qanon conspiracy' tag and links to some relevant debunking/challenge to the content's voracity.

2021-01-16 03:23:31 UTC  

Very true, just seems like it was a manipulative way to play with people’s emotions. I know some people that were into it and they weren’t unreasonable or has bad intentions they truly just wanted to help.

2021-01-16 03:23:56 UTC  

Had*

2021-01-16 03:23:56 UTC  

The reason it's such a problem is because in effort to get as much traffic and ad revenue they can, these companies only want to put you in an echo chamber of like-minded ideology.

2021-01-16 03:24:39 UTC  

Right. I could see that.

2021-01-16 03:25:41 UTC  

You can see this in action if you go to any political commentary, suddenly your recommended feed is full of the same sort of ideologic content.

2021-01-16 03:33:40 UTC  

@Maw in my opinion relegating it to the dark corners of the internet did more harm than good

2021-01-16 03:33:59 UTC  

it creates a persecution complex reinforcing beliefs

2021-01-16 03:34:09 UTC  

and removes any and all people from providing counterpoints

2021-01-16 03:34:16 UTC  

For sure, hence why I said the tagging system they started was the best option.

2021-01-16 03:34:20 UTC  

Rather than suppression.

2021-01-16 03:34:27 UTC  

I don't even follow that logic. Especially since the 14th Amendment. The Supreme Court has been pretty clear that the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments apply the States just as they do the Federal Government. It has also ruled that portions of the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments also apply to the States.

The question really is what did the Framer's of the Constitution intend. If you look at State Constitutions like Pennsylvania and Vermont specifically list the right of self defense and hunting. This is important because they were written just 12 years prior to the 2nd Amendment and many of the very same people had a hand in the drafting of each.

To "bear arms" literally means "“to serve as a soldier, do military service, fight," per the Oxford Dictionary (a pretty good source considering that the blokes that wrote our Founding Documents were, in fact, subject of the British Crown at one point.

2021-01-16 03:35:31 UTC  

Again, stop using modern definitions of words that were different 250 years ago.

2021-01-16 03:35:33 UTC  

so are you making an originalist argument?

2021-01-16 03:35:39 UTC  

or a textualist

2021-01-16 03:35:41 UTC  

YouTube thinks I want to see Newsmax, NTD and epic wedding fail compilations. Thanks for 2 of the 3, R&R.

2021-01-16 03:35:44 UTC  

Textualist.

2021-01-16 03:35:59 UTC  

I'm taking the originalist stance.

2021-01-16 03:36:07 UTC  

yes i take the originalist stance as well

2021-01-16 03:36:18 UTC  

even if you use a textualist stance it still supports it

2021-01-16 03:36:25 UTC  

if you follow the definitions at the time

2021-01-16 03:36:35 UTC  

wtf What did you watch to recommend the latter?

2021-01-16 03:36:40 UTC  

regulated meant well supplied, not with governmetn regulation

2021-01-16 03:37:05 UTC  

im trying to find scalias opinion on it

2021-01-16 03:37:07 UTC  

As entertaining as those comedians/magicians are I had prefer to rely on what the Supreme Court has said on the matter... But ya its a fun show.

2021-01-16 03:37:07 UTC  

its very well written

2021-01-16 03:38:18 UTC  

Um... that definition is not modern... Oxford Dictionary traces "bear arms" all the way back to its original Latin. Its not a modern definition, Love.

2021-01-16 03:38:25 UTC  

also warships and cannons were in private ownership at the time

2021-01-16 03:38:37 UTC  

so any control on the 'type' of arms is also not intended

2021-01-16 03:38:58 UTC  

We've already shown you when they said militia, they meant civilians.

2021-01-16 03:39:08 UTC  

I've even shown it to you in the US Code, current law.

2021-01-16 03:39:09 UTC  

Yes... Scalia basically said you can own a fucking battleship

2021-01-16 03:39:42 UTC  

Hence why "the people" is also used in there.

2021-01-16 03:40:31 UTC  

since I'm land-locked I'll take a tank instead but thanks anyway

2021-01-16 03:40:34 UTC  

@JD~Jordan no he didnt

2021-01-16 03:40:36 UTC  

'well regulated' pours some sand in the pistons. Js

2021-01-16 03:40:58 UTC  

@Zuluzeit no it doesnt

2021-01-16 03:41:05 UTC  

@Zuluzeit well regulated meant well supplied

2021-01-16 03:41:29 UTC  

I absolutely agree with that... yes. They meant citizens because their was no standing army. There was a great divide among the founders on how we wanted to split up military power with the state or the federal or a combination.

So yes... they do not mean that you have to be in the military to "bear arms" but they clearly recognized that the right to do so was only to further the preservation of a Well Regulated Militia