Message from @Maw

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2021-01-16 19:39:58 UTC  

And it remains specific in academics.

2021-01-16 19:40:15 UTC  

... no? Because there is more than just one axis to politics?

2021-01-16 19:41:27 UTC  

Hence why Hitler wanted to purge all the communists in his country and elsewhere in the globe eventually.

2021-01-16 19:41:34 UTC  

I disagree with how academics classified fascism as “right-wing”

2021-01-16 19:41:49 UTC  

It's not even defined as right wing.

2021-01-16 19:42:12 UTC  

You need to read some of the literature. You apparently don't know the definition, which is why they're going to laugh at you for calling them fascists.

2021-01-16 19:42:36 UTC  

Does it really matter what you call them? They blocked a legal proposal to move state borders that would benefit Oregon and California's small conservative farming population.

2021-01-16 19:43:29 UTC  

Then what is the definition? And what makes it fundamentally different? What difference between them is so great that it overcomes their authoritarian similarities?

2021-01-16 19:43:35 UTC  

Yes, it matters if you're going to actually try talking to them.

2021-01-16 19:43:58 UTC  

I've told you the definition, and it included nothing to do with right/left wing.

2021-01-16 19:44:52 UTC  

Nationalist and authoritarian regimes with potentially a focus on race superiority.

2021-01-16 19:45:25 UTC  

You realize that conservatives are called fascists because fascism is commonly referred to as the “far-right”, so they use it to discredit the movement?

2021-01-16 19:45:37 UTC  

Then correct them!

2021-01-16 19:45:49 UTC  

That's not the proper way to use the academic term.

2021-01-16 19:46:17 UTC  

I would rather make them realize they have more in common with fascists than we do so they should let it go.

2021-01-16 19:46:38 UTC  

Except they'll dismiss you as incorrect.

2021-01-16 19:46:49 UTC  

Effectively you'll talk your way to a brick wall.

2021-01-16 19:46:51 UTC  

And I dismiss them as incorrect.

2021-01-16 19:47:01 UTC  

And then nothing will be solved.

2021-01-16 19:47:08 UTC  

Congrats.

2021-01-16 19:47:41 UTC  

You've literally wasted your time at that point.

2021-01-16 19:48:06 UTC  

But nothing will be solved by "correcting" them either. They'll still call Republicans fascists.

2021-01-16 19:48:34 UTC  

Cool, tell them they're being authoritarian rather than fascists and you'll actually come out ahead in dialog.

2021-01-16 19:48:39 UTC  

To them, simply being incorrect is an unimportant nuance.

2021-01-16 19:49:14 UTC  

Not really true.

2021-01-16 19:49:39 UTC  

I prefer making the argument that fascists are alt-left, as opposed to far-right.

Do you disagree that fascism is placed on the right side of the political spectrum?

2021-01-16 19:49:56 UTC  

I've literally told you it's not respective of political leans.

2021-01-16 19:50:34 UTC  

It's an up/down aspect of authoritarianism and a focus on nationalism (which tends to be more right-leaning, but economically there is no left/right in fascism.)

2021-01-16 19:50:53 UTC  

Nazbols exist.

2021-01-16 19:50:57 UTC  

Well, did exist.

2021-01-16 19:51:17 UTC  

Unless you're trying to say Russia wasn't globalist in its USSR phase.

2021-01-16 19:51:37 UTC  

In which I'd just stare at you if you suggested they weren't.

2021-01-16 19:51:38 UTC  

You're classifying fascism strictly as a term to define the sociopolitical movements in Italy and Germany in the early 20th century, as opposed to the underlying sociopolitical concept that defines it.

2021-01-16 19:52:24 UTC  

It's literally a definition that Italy gave itself.

2021-01-16 19:52:27 UTC  

Fascismo.

2021-01-16 19:52:45 UTC  

It didn't exist prior.

2021-01-16 19:56:36 UTC  

Yes, but there are also different variants of communism and socialism (i.e. Marxism, Fabian socialism, etc.). You're hung up on the term as opposed to the concept. The term "fascism" is currently used to describe authoritarian nationalism.

2021-01-16 19:57:33 UTC  

And it's placed on the "far-right" of the spectrum.

I agree that the left/right dichotomy is too limited, but if we must use it, then authoritarianism should be placed on the same side.

2021-01-16 19:58:34 UTC  

Yes. Authoritarian nationalism, literally as I've already said 3 times.

2021-01-16 19:59:13 UTC  

The left is generally not nationalists, kinda antithetical to the whole ideology.

2021-01-16 20:00:08 UTC  

It's effectively the same thing as me calling the right wingers nazbols.