Message from @boudica

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2021-01-16 19:34:26 UTC  

But that has more in common with the traditional left than with the right.

2021-01-16 19:34:54 UTC  

Except the left is anything but nationalist.

2021-01-16 19:35:00 UTC  

If you live in those counties. Vote yes. Idaho supports 2nd amendment.

2021-01-16 19:35:08 UTC  

The nationalist part is EXTREMELY important in the definition.

2021-01-16 19:35:22 UTC  

Oh? Was Soviet Russia not left?

2021-01-16 19:35:22 UTC  

@DangerousFreedom, you just advanced to level 16!

2021-01-16 19:35:34 UTC  

Soviet Russia was the opposite of nationalist.

2021-01-16 19:36:52 UTC  

How so? The “Party” was fused with the State, and they were quite proud of both.

2021-01-16 19:37:39 UTC  

... are you really trying to tell me that the USSR was actually nazbols? Are you actually joking?

2021-01-16 19:38:57 UTC  

They were similar.
You see, I am of the opinion that “authoritarianism” is more of a defining factor for a “side” (left/right) than whether they were proud of their nation.

2021-01-16 19:39:19 UTC  

Authoritarianism is the general sense of the word you're literally looking for.

2021-01-16 19:39:38 UTC  

Fascism is literally derived of the movement of Italy, and then conversely Germany and Japan.

2021-01-16 19:39:46 UTC  

It's very specific.

2021-01-16 19:39:55 UTC  

Yes, but fascism and socialism/communism have that in common, therefore they should be on the same side.

2021-01-16 19:39:58 UTC  

And it remains specific in academics.

2021-01-16 19:40:15 UTC  

... no? Because there is more than just one axis to politics?

2021-01-16 19:41:27 UTC  

Hence why Hitler wanted to purge all the communists in his country and elsewhere in the globe eventually.

2021-01-16 19:41:34 UTC  

I disagree with how academics classified fascism as “right-wing”

2021-01-16 19:41:49 UTC  

It's not even defined as right wing.

2021-01-16 19:42:12 UTC  

You need to read some of the literature. You apparently don't know the definition, which is why they're going to laugh at you for calling them fascists.

2021-01-16 19:42:36 UTC  

Does it really matter what you call them? They blocked a legal proposal to move state borders that would benefit Oregon and California's small conservative farming population.

2021-01-16 19:43:29 UTC  

Then what is the definition? And what makes it fundamentally different? What difference between them is so great that it overcomes their authoritarian similarities?

2021-01-16 19:43:35 UTC  

Yes, it matters if you're going to actually try talking to them.

2021-01-16 19:43:58 UTC  

I've told you the definition, and it included nothing to do with right/left wing.

2021-01-16 19:44:52 UTC  

Nationalist and authoritarian regimes with potentially a focus on race superiority.

2021-01-16 19:45:25 UTC  

You realize that conservatives are called fascists because fascism is commonly referred to as the “far-right”, so they use it to discredit the movement?

2021-01-16 19:45:37 UTC  

Then correct them!

2021-01-16 19:45:49 UTC  

That's not the proper way to use the academic term.

2021-01-16 19:46:17 UTC  

I would rather make them realize they have more in common with fascists than we do so they should let it go.

2021-01-16 19:46:38 UTC  

Except they'll dismiss you as incorrect.

2021-01-16 19:46:49 UTC  

Effectively you'll talk your way to a brick wall.

2021-01-16 19:46:51 UTC  

And I dismiss them as incorrect.

2021-01-16 19:47:01 UTC  

And then nothing will be solved.

2021-01-16 19:47:08 UTC  

Congrats.

2021-01-16 19:47:41 UTC  

You've literally wasted your time at that point.

2021-01-16 19:48:06 UTC  

But nothing will be solved by "correcting" them either. They'll still call Republicans fascists.

2021-01-16 19:48:34 UTC  

Cool, tell them they're being authoritarian rather than fascists and you'll actually come out ahead in dialog.

2021-01-16 19:48:39 UTC  

To them, simply being incorrect is an unimportant nuance.

2021-01-16 19:49:14 UTC  

Not really true.

2021-01-16 19:49:39 UTC  

I prefer making the argument that fascists are alt-left, as opposed to far-right.

Do you disagree that fascism is placed on the right side of the political spectrum?

2021-01-16 19:49:56 UTC  

I've literally told you it's not respective of political leans.