Message from @boudica
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But that has more in common with the traditional left than with the right.
Except the left is anything but nationalist.
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The nationalist part is EXTREMELY important in the definition.
Oh? Was Soviet Russia not left?
@DangerousFreedom, you just advanced to level 16!
Soviet Russia was the opposite of nationalist.
How so? The “Party” was fused with the State, and they were quite proud of both.
... are you really trying to tell me that the USSR was actually nazbols? Are you actually joking?
They were similar.
You see, I am of the opinion that “authoritarianism” is more of a defining factor for a “side” (left/right) than whether they were proud of their nation.
Authoritarianism is the general sense of the word you're literally looking for.
Fascism is literally derived of the movement of Italy, and then conversely Germany and Japan.
It's very specific.
Yes, but fascism and socialism/communism have that in common, therefore they should be on the same side.
And it remains specific in academics.
... no? Because there is more than just one axis to politics?
Hence why Hitler wanted to purge all the communists in his country and elsewhere in the globe eventually.
I disagree with how academics classified fascism as “right-wing”
It's not even defined as right wing.
You need to read some of the literature. You apparently don't know the definition, which is why they're going to laugh at you for calling them fascists.
Does it really matter what you call them? They blocked a legal proposal to move state borders that would benefit Oregon and California's small conservative farming population.
Then what is the definition? And what makes it fundamentally different? What difference between them is so great that it overcomes their authoritarian similarities?
Yes, it matters if you're going to actually try talking to them.
I've told you the definition, and it included nothing to do with right/left wing.
Nationalist and authoritarian regimes with potentially a focus on race superiority.
You realize that conservatives are called fascists because fascism is commonly referred to as the “far-right”, so they use it to discredit the movement?
Then correct them!
That's not the proper way to use the academic term.
I would rather make them realize they have more in common with fascists than we do so they should let it go.
Except they'll dismiss you as incorrect.
Effectively you'll talk your way to a brick wall.
And I dismiss them as incorrect.
And then nothing will be solved.
Congrats.
You've literally wasted your time at that point.
But nothing will be solved by "correcting" them either. They'll still call Republicans fascists.
Cool, tell them they're being authoritarian rather than fascists and you'll actually come out ahead in dialog.
To them, simply being incorrect is an unimportant nuance.
Not really true.
I prefer making the argument that fascists are alt-left, as opposed to far-right.
Do you disagree that fascism is placed on the right side of the political spectrum?
I've literally told you it's not respective of political leans.