Intentional persuasion by the powers that be convince people to give up their freedoms and treat their neighbors like lepers

Collectively

To me it is not about confirming that we are right, but to accept something outside the narrative as a possibility until proven wrong. If there is another angle to something, then prove why it doesnt make sense

I don't disagree that there is a lot out there that could be. I'm saying I'm not bent in the direction of pondering those things. I'm interested in digging in the soil and following the root as far as it goes.

So out there is fine and good for some

I'm digging down

I want the proof

I needs it

Gotsta have it

That is almost exactly missing the forest for the trees

Not at all

But I get what you are saying

Differing gifts and differing purposes

Yin yang, etc etc ad nauseum

Lol fair enough

we all want the same thing

Just I am willing to accept anything as possible and start from that premise

The world wouldn't get built if philosphers didn't live amongst artisans

See i know some things that are not possible and with that i look for what is

Different ways of sifting

Anything is a large starting space

Word

Because that includes all the spaces where you are fundamentally wrong also

How can you tell if you are wrong wihtout experience

It may be possible that being struck by lighting ten times actually gives you super powers

But noone has been able or willing to try

Do you believe fundamental truth can't be experienced?

So what LawWren is getting at, is that the abstract things are just as likely to be correct as any other unfounded claim by the left, and that is an unacceptable subset. But to declare that as the subset you must also consider everything you think is true isn't.

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In a spiritual sense or philosophical?

What's the difference?

I am williung to consider all of the above for what they are, but I will never get there without being willing to start from a premise that it is even possible at all

Otherwise I have already made up my mind

Whether it is 'the stove it hot when I touch it' or 'I can build a rocket to go to mars'

Dont want to offend the deeply religious

But at what point have you come to collected enough truth to narrow down the field you're considering

Peer review and my own collective knowledge

So you believe fundamental truth at the highest level is unknowable

I don't

Therefore there are true things and false things

And it's possible to identify like with like from that position