look at what is happening now
it comes down to tribalism, do you want degenerates in your tribe? if so then my tribe will win and yours will lose
mine will be more disciplined and healthy
tribalism is archaic
tribalism is inevitable
im going from the traditionalist perspective
encouraging people to behave in a certain way = fascism = communism
im neither 😮
i realize that's reductionist af
there's a difference between something being outlawed and something being discouraged though
but restricting social freedom, even by stigma, has an effect of discouraging general freedom
@Finesse I guess you can advertise throat fucking to female vocalists as some weird exercise
still not recommended ahahah
so by outlawing rape, I'm encouraging the suppression of other freedoms?
honestly I would recommend
or murder, or what have you
You can never recommend degeneratus
rape violates other people's freedom
doing crack in an alleyway doesn't violate anyone else's rights
i dont operate under the premise that freedom is inherently virtuous
neither do i
then why use the NAP argument
but rape is a very different type of crime/degeneracy than doing crack
it implies that it is virtuous
@Anarchyng Of course, you know me. Always trying to SMASH the patriarchy. Trying to further female empowerment through assisting them in their goals, such as female vocalists; as you have mentioned.
I didn't imply that it's always virtuos, however social freedom is a goal
@Finesse its funny cause you know that this is exactly how some guys got laid. Took something they wanted to do and wrapped it in female "empowerment"
that said I don't know much about the NAP so if I'm unknowingly arguing in favor of it please enlighten me
but why is social freedom a goal if it isn't virtuous? shouldn't a functioning society be a higher goal?
"Trust me, sweetheart, if it wasn't for the patriarchy you'd be able to share me with your girlfriends."
the patriarchy is gay
the NAP implies that as long as you don't violate other's freedoms you may do as you please. this only functions off of the premise that the NAP, and by proxy, social freedom, is inherently virtuous
sure, i guess I agree with the NAP then
so in doing that you /do/ think freedom is inherently a virtue