Well, unless you're willing to go the Uwe Boll route and make disasters and take advantage of tax and lending loopholes.

But what I really didnt know until know or maybe I just dont recognize it is that you say that nominal interest rates bounded by zero. Who determines this? Like a central bank (in which case it is arbitrary to go below 0) or somebody else?

But then you're moving into low-integrity type stuff and that degrades society and quickly.

No, the assumption is that the stated interest rate will only go to 0% because no one will pay someone to spend money for them.

Or is it the whole "we cant officially state that we pay money in order to get people to lend money"

Ah NOW I can see where you are coming from.

an interest rate less then 0 is called a fire

and thats where you put your money

So, every economist figured every person ever would say, "Sure, i'll let you borrow my money. Nah, no interest. Just pay it back"

And no one would say, "Hey, have $20, and please, also spend this other $100."

Which is what a negative interest rate is saying.

So see, I agree that neg intrst rates are poison, that has always been the understanding from my side, even far ahead of this convo today

And so your prediction that the Fed would promote a negative interest rate is absurd.

*But...*

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But since neg intrst is happening in the European already, although not officially set lower than 0 but through other effects I can envision the fed going lower, possibly to the area where it the real intrst rate is neg

But let's say my prediction doesn't hold true (which I hope)

What hinders the US from lending money they wont pay back anyway?

The same thing that hinders *anyone* from *borrowing* money they won't pay back anyway: eventually, no one will lend them anything.

As I see it, the neg intrst rates are a desperate measure here in the EU to get inflation levels to where it should be while also ensuring the econ just doesnt die

So, for one, the economy won't *just die* because wealth is actually measured in utility and fiat currency is just a means of exchange.

Then how could the US boost their spending like this? Every person with an ounce of common sense can see that this is money the US will never pay back.........

There will always be a need to exchange a few steaks for a shoe.

How you get from steaks to shoe is facilitated by money.

This is basic stuff.

I just ordered a Chinese surplus sks

Cool. Have it dropshipped to Hong Kong. They need it.

Shit, I need to get to the office.

Freedom!!

Thanks for the convo.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deflation.asp

I know what deflationn is hon

Read it anyway.

I like had the basic econ stuff including neg intrst rates

if you knew they were poison from the start why suggest America could stop collapse wit them

then feign ignorance and pivot to unemployment

Oh did I do that? Well either oyu have misunderstood me or I have mightily and I mean MIGHTILY fucked up regarding acticulating what I wanted to say

Yes, you did say it, twice

"acticulate" better

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I mean one of my key assumptions is that neg intrst rates are bad in the sense that they are unsustainable