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Why does my value have to be set by what I have to offer to society
Objectively, "value" is more or less synonymous with utility.
because society is run for women. so how useful are you to women?
and if it is, then can't I generate value through raising my utility in means other than production of things with monetary value
value: the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or **usefulness** of something
thats how its judged
I'm not talking about it in terms of the gender war.
You are literally only as useful as you are to your fellows.
right, so by being someone virtuous and with decent moral character
that would raise my utility value
No.
thats not getting a thot a lambo tho
but what if it's a useful thing
to others
Sure, but if you're a good shot and you communicate well and use cover, you are of high value to your fellow soldiers.
trustworthiness has value
people put weight on their emotional and mental health
if I can boost that by being a good person
then wouldn't that raise my value
Yes.
so it doesn't have to be material
No. It doesn't.
You're all talking about very subjective elements of people's personalities
Not really.
I was confusing utility with production of wealth
Yes.
and some things you just can't buy
That's a common mistake.
okay
but self worth and utility have to be correlated
in some way
Because, let's face it, if you and I were bros and, let's take your name, you were the one that got me to go to the gym and lift more than I would for myself, you're of value. To me.
to my 2nd point
"Their morals, their code; it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. You'll see- I'll show you. When the chips are down these, uh, civilized people? They'll eat each other. See I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve."
people that tend to have high self worth tends to have high utility value
and vice versa
Correlation, yes, causation, weak to moderate (and that's usually going from utility to self worth, not the other way around).
self-worth can grant you higher utility
your mentality can make you work harder
fake it till you make it kind of thing