I prob take this to another room when i got more time i really do wonder this constantly tho

Biden really runs on prying off of dead people, banning fracking, and anti-Trump

Devil's advocate for 'white privelege/reparations': Black Americans fought in WW2/Korea just as white Americans did. As 'reparations'/a reward for the sacrifices of soldiers in WW2, the GI Bill was passed to give veterans access to low-cost mortgages (aiding home ownership)/low interest loans (aiding starting businesses)/vocational training, college and university admissions (increases skills/employability) etc, tens of millions of white Americans benefitted from it, whilst the overwhelming majority of black servicemen (80% of them lived in the South) got next to nothing. Could that not have contributed to the modern day financial disparities/disparities in criminality? Tangible, quantifiable things? Yes 15/20 years later segregation and discrimination was made illegal, but they didn't go back to all those ex-servicemen and re-offer them all those benefits that they missed out on. Also the Tulsa and Rosewood incidents destroying nascent black towns/businesses/enterprises - if the same thing happened to any other of the big cities/financial hubs of America, then they wouldn't exist either

I mean the initial reasons may have included that, but reparations just isn’t the way it should be fixed.

Throwing money inefficiently at a problem just doesn’t do anything.

Yes many white people might have class privilege, but so does anybody else who is born to someone who succeeded in life.

The thing is that leftists try to “solve” the problem by trying to reverse history, which is not anywhere close to the right solution.

It’s like trying to revive a dead person.

Or trying to unburn a piece of paper.

Not some random check sent to all black people, that's stupid. I mean like just like another version of the GI bill with lower interest mortgages/lower interest business loans/vocational training etc. Or perhaps options to pay it back over a longer period of time. Not just randomly to anyone, but those who meet a certain minimum criteria for things such as grades (vocational training)/having a decent business plan (business loans)/having a job (mortgages). For the mortgages it wouldn't be like you'd get a mortgage for a mansion if you were just a schoolteacher or something - you'd still have to pay it back to own the house, the value would just be commensurate with your salary. It'd also be spread out over a longer time and a large deposit wouldn't be required either. The college admissions/vocational courses would also be based on grades/ability and you had to meet set requirements. For opening businesses, they had to research the area/supply chains/the place they wanted to buy or rent, competition etc. That's what happened in the 40's and 50's with the GI's, many of them were poor too

but, why would these people be receiving it? right now it seems purely based on them being black. the GI Bill is for veterans, people who did something to earn it.

Black veterans earned it also, but they weren't allowed to receive any of it were they? You could track down the grandchildren of black servicemen to give them their GI benefits. Also would taking action to ameliorate problems of poverty not decrease the incidence of crime and also get people off of welfare? Would more businesses competing not increase innovation/gdp etc? @Wardog

Okay, did 100% of white veterans get their benefits? and how many of them that didnt receive their benefits are still alive today?

They had the option to receive it if they wanted to, they weren't prevented from applying. As far as I know there was no anti-white discrimination with regards to the GI bill or in general society in the 40's/50's. Regardless, are black people not your fellow countrymen? Do you not want to see them do better? If it could be done with the GI's then the same thing could also be done with black people. Do you still want the crime statistics/economic disparities etc to be the same 100 years from now?

Also judge the argument by its merits, whataboutisms are pretty pointless in my opinion

whataboutisms...? for asking how many people actually received the benefits? LMAO. okay. and yes, I want to see all Americans do well, but racist affirmative action/reparations is not the way to do it.

Was the GI bill affirmative action? People still had to meet the standards given to them to get accepted to courses, they still had to pay back the mortgages/business loans didn't they? Affirmative action is lowering standards/criteria to things, not just extending the payment of it. I said that you used whataboutisms because my argument was that the GI bill worked and that if a similar thing is done with black people it could also work - I mentioned only giving it to black servicemen's grandchildren and you said "Well all white people didn't use the GI bill". If I'm mistaken then you can correct me. Also what is your solution to see all Americans doing well?

What do you think of Trump's platinum plan too?

Do you think it would've been a good thing if Black people were allowed to also benefit from the GI bill in the 40's/50's?

I don't think it would've been a bad thing if they were to benefit from it then, but it's been 80 years, and giving reparations won't help any problems now.

Natzz you seem very smart and educated on this subject I am definitely going to research this. I am curious what this platinum plan is and am going to research it aswell. I would like to add to all this discussion is that not all white people are privileged like Oprah would like to say. Many grew and grow up in the foster system and have nothing and that doesn't discriminate based on color. I also am a firm believer that no place like the United States allows the opportunity for anyone from any background to achieve greatness within thier own lifetime and to change the path of thier own lineage. I do appreciate your insights on the GI bills and past discrimination and the effects that has had in todays society, and plan on doing some research not for the sake of argument but becuase i truly try to understand and walk in others shoes to see what makes them tick.

75 years isn't that long, it's within living memory for people's grandparents. If the GI bill could work back then, then why couldn't it work today? If it does work, then it mean that the grandchildren of black people today would be far less likely to be on welfare/committing crimes etc. The GI bill wasn't a handout, it was opportunity - you still had to be qualified to get the loans/mortgages/admissions/training and you still had to pay back all of that stuff at risk of foreclosure if you didn't. @DarkSkyKEC

I'm saying that it'd be better to create a new and updated bill for investment into black communities than it is to go back to fulfill an old one.

Fair enoug, I agree with you @BioHazardJimmy The US is objectively the freest country in the world, with the most income mobility their is in the world. Objectively it is also the best place for a black person to live on the entire planet if we're going by macroeconomic indicators/salary/standard of living etc. It's just relative to the average American, they fall far behind. Of course their are individual black millionaires and there are white homeless people, it's just that statistically that you're much more likely to be poorer/go to prison/be on welfare and a bunch of other things if you're black. I just think trying to solve those problems is important, otherwise things could be exactly the same 100 years from now. Obviously there are other issues facing the country as a whole, that includes issues that also effect white people that should also be addressed, just focused on this one for my question

@DarkSkyKEC I'm not proposing using the same bill, but doing something similar to try to address the problem. As for investment in black communities, I think it's probably better if they're also doing it themselves, rather than some other people coming in and doing all the work and just hiring them. It's more about giving them the opportunity to pull themselves up by the bootstraps rather than giving them handouts as the Democrats do. Earning something that they can own for themselves instead of working for whatever big developer/franchise moved in. There'll be more competition also if it's new businesses cropping up compared to established businesses just moving in. A huge reason why Black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat is that the Republican party in recent decades has never made the effort to reach out to them or offer an alternative. How many Republican Campaigners go knocking door to door in the hood? Black people do tend to be more socially conservative also, so I think if we had something successful we could point to for them it could win their vote for decades

I believe that's what the purpose of the platinum plan is.

To provide opportunity.

Fair enough

Me being a white guy and just curious if Kim Klacik comes off as a token to the black community or if some will here her out because maybe she shares a perspective a white politician never could.

Ive never cared what color someone is but i do understand the need for people to feel that they are understood in the way they as an individual see the world

hear*

That being to the piont of needing Republicans to go knocking dooor to door in the hood.

Just wonder how well that actually plays?

Ok so my high school has all seniors do a senior project, it’s a big project that you have to propose an idea for and have a presentation for by the end of the year, and it has to be something to help the community.
I want to do something along the lines of addressing the issue of civic illiteracy. But my problem is, I can’t think of an actual “project”
Like for example, a kid realized the concession stand at our school was nasty and needs a fresh coat of paint, so painting it was the project piece of it. Someone else last year wanted to “prove Islam was a religion of peace not hate” (don’t get me started...) and so she held a ted-talk thing for hundreds of people in town to come see, which was the project portion for her.
I’m trying to think of a way I can make my idea into an actual project. My only idea was to host a virtual ted talk but I really want something more original, interactive and that does more to fix the problem.

If there wasn’t so much government involved I would’ve loved to try to get it incorporated into the curriculum but that’s almost impossible with teachers union bs...

Gaige Grosskreutz ( who kyle shot in the arm ) what was his criminal reccord?

Domestic violence and kid diddling iirc

anyone remember the date that the new first came out about hunter biden's laptop?

Just search up the nyp article.

was that the first news article?

Yes.