Yep. Police, fire services, the military, ICE, etc.

Murder is murder but if I had to rank, I'd put the murder of a helpless child near the top.

Also, I think in general we should bring back the shame of having an abortion. It's sickening to see these celebrities on these award shows praising their multiple abortions and how it has made their life better all while others like to virtue signal about adopting an african kid. There are kids in america who were not aborted who could be adopted.

In my opinion, the life of that innocent child is worth far more than whatever monster made the decision to kill it. That coward of a woman should not be able to decide the fate of that pure and innocent child. If she doesn't want to or can't provide for the child, there are many people who do not have the ability to have children and would gladly take hers in as their own. It is cowardly and evil to have an abortion, and should not be tolerated.

If you don't want the baby there's always adoption

They don't want the responsibility of dealing with anything like that. Its much easier to just go in, spread your legs (same thing that got you in this situation to begin with) and let them vacuum out the problem.

It's not like there isn't a plethora of contraceptive options out there, subsidized by our tax dollars. But that could lower their enjoyment or required planning...

Lmfao.

Condoms. 98%
Birth control. 99%
Diaphragm. 94%
Pull out. 5% (maybe?)

But combine them all and you have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting pregnant.

Abstinence 100%

Yup

But thats not really a contraceptive.

Or a feasible one

Especially in a day of tinder and promiscuity

It's almost like the purpose of sex is the creation of a new life so abstinence is the only way to guarantee. If you are going to have sex thou, contraceptives are very effective, particularly when combined, but sometimes...life finds a way.

You should be ready to accept that possibly.

Part of being an adult is that life doesn't always go your way so your plans may have to change but that's not a reason to take it out on an innocent life.

Amen

what about if a 13 year old girl gets raped and pregnant? I am committed to adopting multiple children when I have a wife and we are starting a family. but can you ban that girl from terminating that pregnancy very early on? I would say that the only reason she couldn't terminate the pregnancy VERY early on is if someone guarantees to adopt the baby. Does that make sence?

I think the argument there is whether it is morally right to "correct" one wrong, rape, with another, murder.

The obvious exception here would be the actual harm that a pregnancy at that age could present itself for the mother, but rape cases make up a small portion of abortions.

New born babies are always in demand for adoption in the US, but even if one wasn't lined up, the child would always have the option to go into the states care. Most pregnancy crisis centers are equipped to handle the paperwork and walk the mother through what is needed to put the child up for adoption. They would also be able to make sure the mother gets the care she needs to keep the baby healthy till it's born.

yeah yall make good points

I think the U.S. needs to simplify the adoption process

make it cheaper

I absolutely agree, the cost puts it out of range for many families who would otherwise be great parents and treat the kid with love. Just because you can't afford a $60k+ adoption fees in lump does not mean you do not make enough to take care of a child.

I read that as "simplify the abortion process" at first...

Teens shouldn't be doing something that will get them pregnant

me too froski lmao

> what about if a 13 year old girl gets raped and pregnant? I am committed to adopting multiple children when I have a wife and we are starting a family. but can you ban that girl from terminating that pregnancy very early on? I would say that the only reason she couldn't terminate the pregnancy VERY early on is if someone guarantees to adopt the baby. Does that make sence?
@Kaladin it should also be noted while the emotional scars of a rape are repulsive, a healthy 13 year old girl should not have any problems carrying a child to term. Historically, while 13 is still a little early, it wasn't uncommon for girls to be married by that age and start having children.

Yeah I see what you’re saying, it’s just that I was wondering if the government could ban a middle schooler from having a kid she has no part in. Especially if the pregnancy was terminated in the first 3 weeks or something. And again I’m not advocating for that, I’m just asking questions from the perspective of a lawmaker

nah man, Im the kind of person that thinks that the woman should be allowed to decide whether she wants to abort the rape pregnancy or not, but when it comes to someone thats a minor? I dont think there should be a choice there. thats just horribly disgusting and a child should not have to go through that after that traumatizing event.

Well the government requires many things I have no say in. For instance, I was required to register for the draft when I turned 18 for no other reason then because I have an X and a Y chromosome.

@Wardog maybe I am misunderstanding you but I think it would be ever more traumatic if the government forced you to have an abortion even if you wanted to keep the child or had a family member willing to raise it. That kind of thing happens in some socialized healthcare counties where the government decides you are not fit to be a mother because say you have a mental problem and they force woman who get pregnant to have an abortion against their will.

Okay, I definitely dont agree with forcing an abortion for something like having a mental problem, but idk man. a 13 year old girl having a child...? a 13-14 year old girl (at that point) raising the child? That just doesnt seem right to me man. Abortion is wrong, it is, but sometimes I think its the lesser evil. @Stargatemaster96 I can almost understand if a family member was willing to raise it, so I might be willing to backtrack on the "minors MUST abort" thing, but I will stand by my position of women having a choice on whether or not they want to abort a rape pregnancy. There are women out there who refused to give up the child, and thats fine by me, and there are women out there who might go the extent of suicide if they have to carry the product of that horrible event for nearly a year. Its a rough and messy topic to debate on. Thats for damn sure. Also on a side note ill mention how a lot of women are afraid to come forward after a rape... and that means minors may not say anything before its too late (our education on the topic is fucking shit) or wouldnt be able to get something like The Pill. One because its intimidating, and two because kids just arent able to go to the places you could get those things because theyre too far/arent allowed out, and probably wouldnt even have the money for it anyway. They dont really get the option of taking The Pill, it probably working, and then not having to go through an abortion or pregnancy. Idk man.

tough question. for a 13 years child abortion would be the less traumatizing thing to do. the damage is already done though, but adding pregnancy and labor to that at such a young age is basically prolonging the event with 9 months . the traumatizing part about rape is that you have zero control, cant protect yourself, can loose your life in any moment also. pregnancy when you are 100% dependent and your environment could not protect you before is a nightmare, you live in constant fear

As you said, the damage has already been done. The only thing we have left is the comfort of this singular girl. The life of the child is more important than a girl's comfort. She may not be able to raise the child, but there are many adoption centers that would take that child in. It's rough, and it is in no way easy, but killing the unborn child is a coward's way out. Not to mention that you are killing a pure and innocent human being for the sake of one's own comfort.

what you need to consider is who you are willing to sacrifice

its not about comfort, ptsd is not curable

the government should not make this decision, a child can't make it yet, parents should but who knows if they qualify at all

Technically, the government isn't making a decision on the child. It's just limiting a person from advancing into a certain action(which in this case is murdering the kid).