The half asses anti virus is really the sentiment of older versions of Windows defender, they actually make the one in Windows 10 fairly good. I use Linux without WINE (the main way to get user environment viruses/malware) but I help friends and family all the time. In general I tell them to trust the built in anti virus based on the virus scan reports I've read from recuable security companies unless they have a particular reason like my grandfather who clicks on almost anything and gets so many risky emails or my Aunt who had access to sensitive healthcare data for her job when working at home on her personal computer.

What he meant I think was that windows is the *only* one to put an av on out of the box. The emphasis was on `only`, not on `barely good` (paraphrasing)

I think

Basically windows is the only one who does it, and the one they have is barely good. I don't agree with barely good, but I think that's what he meant.
Ig you said other do have it though

@Stargatemaster96 out of curiosity what 3rd party free av would you consider one of the best?

That's precisely what I'm saying with Linux. There are all these available exploits, unknown and known, and more and more being discovered often; yet you don't see any antivirus implemented by default. That's probably because security policies and safe practices will trump any av system. Re Mac; I have a Mac and if they have a built in av it's fairly silent and light but I'm not so sure there is one and by that I mean one that does background scanning or active scanning malicious software

Less of a replacement for built in anti virus but to complement I used to use Malwarebytes free.

They have one line on their site hinting at one but go on to explain that it's mainly safe due to the system architecture and not some named active piece of software

one issue with linux is all antivirus software relies on proprietary internals

meaning no open sourced antivirus

besides, an antivirus isnt really needed if you use a relatively up-to-date build

linux users shouldnt need an antivirus to tell them not to run shady executables as root

Linux you can use ClamAV thou I think it's mainly to detect windows viruses.

ye

Linux is perfectly capable of running proprietary software

Not a prerequisite

well yes

ClamAV is open source and uses open signature databases.

but no open source program would bundle proprietary crapware

or open source OS

I agree it's mainly crapware. But oss OS' do bundle proprietary software and driver's. As long as they properly attribute and the closed software package allows it. Perfect example is Ubuntu will prompt the user at install whether they want to include 3rd party proprietary software like mp3 libs

But again I've never seen a Linux distro with built in av. There are hundreds tho so I'm sure there is one but I bet their goal and mission statement is to cater to "new" Linux users and include it for a false sense of security

thats true

AV rarely provides real security

unless we are talking about enterprise shit like sophos

real security comes from not being a fucking idiot

Or for those that dual boot with windows and may use WINE.

My problem with sentiment like that is that malware does not necessarily need you to be stupid, only somebody else on your network to be stupid or you not keeping software up to date. That or for there to be a zero day that you are unaware of. People seem to think of only traditional viruses while modern attacks use a variety of malicious programs that can propagate in other ways.

I've heard Malwarebytes has gone down a bit from being as good as it used to be, but then I now some people who don't think so, so <:Shrug:365198052631379978>

And that was like 6 months ago I head that, idk about now

Most companies I've been at block interlan traffic. Since I'm in r&d and make internet connected devices I need freedom to operate and control my own network so they always place me in a sandboxed network that can't propogate out

I haven't had a personal system with Windows for 4 years so it very well may not be as good as it used to be.

Ah

When you get to a company you'll be forced to change

For hr and business facing apps

I did say personal system, not that I haven't worked at companies with a provided Windows computer. However on those I don't install my own software.

Ahh true true

I wonder how often dual booting or even wine is used in commercial. I know with students it's popular since you're usually limited in resources and can't just buy a new dedicated box but in the corporate world you just say hey I need a Linux box I'm not dual booting that and they say ok. Or just spin up a VM and avoid compatibility headaches with wine

I'm not sure how common it is, but I've known people at work that had dual booted Windows and a Linux. It's mainly because many companies are cheap and will give you one laptop and you have to work with what you have.

hmm

I am actually going to 'dual boot' soon