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2020-11-11 19:57:06 UTC  

The French's upgraded Renaults were frankly the same, but their issue was they were heavily cramped which made response times to enemy units slower

2020-11-11 19:58:21 UTC  

Panzer 2's on the otherhand, while they had less armor, had better operationality due to the more space inside the chasse and turret which allowed for more rapid response to the enemy

2020-11-11 19:59:10 UTC  

And with an automatic 20mm cannon, they could make short work of opposing light and medium armor

2020-11-11 20:00:38 UTC  

we're talking Panzer 1's first off and second, whoever made their guns don't matter they're polish, the fought the nazi's in Warsaw with fucking sticks, the held the Nazi's at Danzig for weeks and only surrendered because they ran out of bullets, they held the wermacht at Wizna for 5 days, while outnumbered 40:1, for comparision, the hot gates was 14:1.

2020-11-11 20:01:26 UTC  

Panzer 2's operated at the same time as Panzer 1's, and frankly were fairly similar

2020-11-11 20:03:12 UTC  

@SpaceDandyJoestarGG theyre the Yugoslav partisans

2020-11-11 20:03:31 UTC  

who absolutely wrecked the Nazis in yugoslavia

2020-11-11 20:04:02 UTC  

they are one of WW2's unsung heroes because they helped take pressure of the USSR and Western Front

2020-11-11 20:23:27 UTC  

France had better tanks, but their doctrine sucked

2020-11-11 20:25:02 UTC  

@A Person huh never heard of them but hey that's cool.

2020-11-11 20:27:12 UTC  

what was the best German tank destroyer

2020-11-11 20:27:45 UTC  

Per tonnage of armor and strength of their guns, yes the French AMD's and Renault's were better armed and arguably their tanks were better, however the majority of them had 1 major flaw that made them easy prey to Panzers, cramped turrets that had manual turning instead of hydrolic till they got their hands on the Sherman

2020-11-11 20:28:18 UTC  

also did the Germans and Japanese ever fight together?

2020-11-11 20:28:23 UTC  

No

2020-11-11 20:28:36 UTC  

But they did share a few things with each other

2020-11-11 20:29:15 UTC  

Tho it was mostly german arms going to Japan. like a Tiger tank

2020-11-11 20:29:32 UTC  

ok

2020-11-11 20:30:14 UTC  

As for best german TD, it would have to be the StuG

2020-11-11 20:30:23 UTC  

ok

2020-11-11 20:30:52 UTC  

Also why did tank destroyers not have turning turrets? Was it so that they could mount powerful cannons?

2020-11-11 20:31:10 UTC  

Not all had caseless turrets

2020-11-11 20:31:27 UTC  

Some American and British tank destroyers had full on turrets

2020-11-11 20:31:37 UTC  

ok

2020-11-11 20:31:38 UTC  

Like the Wolverine

2020-11-11 20:31:55 UTC  

ok thanks

2020-11-11 20:32:46 UTC  

> Per tonnage of armor and strength of their guns, yes the French AMD's and Renault's were better armed and arguably their tanks were better, however the majority of them had 1 major flaw that made them easy prey to Panzers, cramped turrets that had manual turning instead of hydrolic till they got their hands on the Sherman
@Zilla The French Somua tanks had a riveted hull that if struck directly on the rivet line, the whole tank could come apart

2020-11-11 20:33:24 UTC  

And if it didnt, the rivets would kill the crew of the vehicle

2020-11-11 20:33:37 UTC  

what a riviting conversation

2020-11-11 20:34:27 UTC  

Rivetted armor made for easy repairing of a tank and made it quicker to build, tho the negatives heavily outweighed the positives

2020-11-11 20:35:02 UTC  

Thats for if you have absolutely no consideration of the Crew but you want a lot of tanks quickly

2020-11-11 20:35:39 UTC  

Which during the beginning when both the British and the French quickly needed armor, stuff like the M3 Lee was a good substitute

2020-11-11 20:36:30 UTC  

M3 was a meh in my opinion

2020-11-11 20:37:23 UTC  

Overall it was a bad tank, but in operation as a supplimental tank and a stopgap design it was one of the best

2020-11-11 20:38:36 UTC  

I feel that one of the most Iconic tanks of All Time is the Tiger 1

2020-11-11 20:38:48 UTC  

Definitely

2020-11-11 20:39:08 UTC  

You pretty much cant have a WW2 game or movie without one

2020-11-11 20:39:20 UTC  

Its seen two Fronts of the same war, wielded by one of the most infamous powers on earth, with a reputation to boot

2020-11-11 20:40:43 UTC  

Too bad the Germans werent being smart with them near the end of the war

2020-11-11 20:41:56 UTC  

Are we trash talking germans?

2020-11-11 20:42:09 UTC  

Hitler wasted time and materials on building a tank, the most feasible of which still took up the metal the likes of which could be used to build 3 tiger tanks and one Panzer IV

2020-11-11 20:42:12 UTC  

yes i did the math