Yeah

In large part I'm not saying both of those would be perfect

But they'd be better than now

the problem is y'all let the French exist

Fuck the french

Prince just seems to find a way to mess everything up throughout history

It's a kind of telling sign it's always considered a great achievement of conquer France

France and England are one in the same when it comes to shitty government

Okay I was mostly more thinking about Caesar and the prussians both conquering France

Well at least they did shit

Could you imagine how much better the world would have been if the prussians did not return France to the French

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Let's please at least try to keep stuff in the proper room...

Sorry I did kind of drift there

I will say this though about Europe's history with guns, it's pretty telling that in the moments before Gavrilo Princip assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand triggering the first world war he was in a city park shooting a pistol oh, could you imagine doing that in Europe today

Hell, we can't even do that in America today

I mean for Christ's sakes the first gun laws that they use as justification for all subsequent gun laws were basically orders to not fire cannons inside city limits

And not to leave loaded guns lying around, unfortunately black powder weapons of the era sometimes have a bad habit of being set off on accident by falling over

Or a spark or an Ember would get to the powder

They weren't restricting you from buying Cannon oh, you could really buy a cannon with no government authorization required whatsoever oh, could you imagine that today just being able to go down to the gun store and go yeah I'll take a Glock 19 oh, and AR-15, oh and that 105 mm Mountain Howitzer I will take one of those as well

Is there any law that actually prevents you from buying a cannon in a free state? It's kinda Simi auto and as long as the barrel is long enough...

A cannon?

Maybe some states. But I believe its legal

Is considered a destructive device according to the ATF and is restricted in several States

But yes you can legally own a cannon in the US

Even to this day but it's very restricted even in states where it is legal

If you want a good quick like 051 course on our 2nd amendment this is a great starting point video into getting the history of the topic, it's place in English common law and how it was viewed at the time and applied to society by the founding fathers

https://youtu.be/7DYeYkJkqgs

Hate to say it... but you might be wrong here

They're not even considered a firearm and have no regulation.

The dif is muzzle loading vs shells

I guess that's the same with all guns here... lol

Yes and no, I was discussing more than just a muzzle-loading cannon, I was also in a sentence referring to modern-day cannons, but including muzzleloading Cannon nobody sits there and talks about how much fun they had with a blank firing gun everybody wants to shoot real bullets out of the gun including Cannons, which means that you will need Cannon shells which are regulated as destructive devices, so while the cannon itself might not be regulated that's only or a limited subsection of cannons if you get something more modern then it becomes regulated and the entire realm of Regulation and registrations along with licensing requirements becomes very complicated very quickly, because modern stuff might not be regulated under the NFA but it would be regulated under ITAR or any number of other Byzantine regulations that carry acronyms even more obscure

Or we can just go with my simplified technically wrong gross oversimplification for the sake of brevity

One of my favorite comments about this whole situation oh, I know of a class 3 full auto M16, with an m203 grenade launcher underslung on it, when describing the weapon set I was assured there is a very thick binder worth of paperwork and a myriad of regulations tied to this weapon set that the owner laughs about creating the most complicated weapons that he could.
Because ahead if you already have a class 3 mulatto SBR you might as well go ahead and attach a destructive device to it if for nothing less than shitz and giggles

But you can own an m"15" with a "flare launcher"

I entered to win one just a few months ago from the nra (or maybe some other big gun group, I can remember)

And does anyone really think "Modern artillery" when someone says "Cannon"?

I mean... i guess modern artillery is a cannon? But thats like saying the modern gun is the exact same as a musket....

Its called something different for a reason

If you watch the T-Rex arms video that I posted up you would see that the keep and bear arms refers to weapons of war it did not specify restrictions on any of them, so technically you could probably make a case that the second amendment protects our rights to have tanks, at which point I would love to have a medicinal M1A2 Abrams