Message from @DeButcher
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“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
Matthew 7:7-8 NKJV
Jesus carried the weight of so much sin that even God had to turn his back on him
Yes, there's hypocrites, false teachers, and ones who claim to Christian but are not. But that won't change what God did for you.
Those people will be judged accordingly when the time comes.
But Jesus didn't die for **us**. He died for **you**. Not all of us as a whole, but personally.
Oh
That’s an interesting way of putting it
I’ve never heard it worded that way before
I guess I really didn’t see much of a good side of Christianity :/
Though I shouldn’t have accepted that as the only side
He carried every sin that you ever have committed or ever will committed so you have the possibility to join him in Heaven.
See, all these different branches of Catholicism and Christianity are confusing, and some of them are ridiculous, all you need is the Bible. The Bible is the only truth in this world.
Because the Bible is God's word
I also thought you were only supposed to follow the New Testament, as that is Jesus and his story and word and his way
God loves you even when you sin, even when you turn from Him.
He loves you so much that Jesus, Son of God, perfect and in Heaven, came down to a sinful world, to be mocked, spit on, beaten, whipped, made to carry His own execution device to the execution location, to be hung on the cross for hours and die.
For **you**
Yes, we are.
Belief in Jesus to forgive your sins is the important part, everything else that differentiates the denominations is secondary.
But we use the Old Testament to learn from the mistakes of the past.
Oh ok
That’s interesting
There are thing from the Old Testament that we follow like the Ten Commandments
The old covenant of the Old Testament we no longer follow, but much of the history and stories in it are still of great value. Including the prophecies of Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection
The old testament also shows us our sins and the perfect standard God expects. This shows us how getting to heaven on our own actions is impossible and needs someone to die in our place.
The 10 Commandments, for example, are in the Old Testament
As is the part about being gay is a sin
They still apply and are mentioned in the New Testament, but they were first in the Old Testament
When Jesus came, he made a new covenant with us that replaced the old covenant under the law. It doesn't mean the sins mentioned in the old are not still sins but that we no longer bound by them because Jesus has forgiven them.
Ooh ok
I see
Being gay is only a sin because it's not what God intended. He intended for a man and a woman to love each other.
or neither
But then Satan tricked Adam and Eve
Any Jesus lovers here?! 🙌🏽
I mean I believe Jesus was and is an amazing person who definitely did a lot of good
@Draconem_Dominus do you accept that He is your Lord and saviour?
So in a way I love him yes
In a way, yes.
The Bible says even the demons believe in Jesus, the difference is if you believe he came and died for your sins.
Y'all should make sure your faith in Jesus is secured cuz it seems like the rapture can happen soon
Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. - CS Lewis
About Jesus
I accept that he was and is the standard we should live up to, though not one we can realistically achieve, and that he saved a whole lot of people with his life and death, and I believe he did die for the people of his time’s sins, but I’m not sure about the whole son of god thing