example, Kennedy democrats would have been in favor of several things that Trump republicans are in favor of, so it's the same nation, different time period

if you have 100% liberty and 0% government, then you can't move left or right of center because that would require using some sort of government to enforce that preference

if you have 100% government and 0% liberty (communism, aka statism) then there are no preferences, only what you're allowed to do/have/say/wear/eat/etc

look up The Nolan Chart on google for tests/more info

also, I do not give leftists the term "liberal" anymore, as their bent is not predominantly towards liberty as a classical liberal (e.g. Thomas Jefferson) was

I would suggest that, unlike the chart I posted above, the shape has shifted into more of a rectangle than a square, with the right being higher and closer to libertarians, while the left has shifted down and is closer to statists. This makes sense, as generally the right is in favor of less government and the left is in favor of more government

this is why you see things like the liberty movement and the tea party within the right side of the aisle, whereas you see socialists like AOC and Bernie on the left

@LiveFreeOrPi the conservatives of today are the liberals of yesterday.

I think the chart has shifted to this now:

political compasses are generally shitty

the Nolan Chart does completely break people free from the false "left right" paradigm that they are led to believe is the political spectrum

it's useful in some ways

the "left vs right" is in reference to economics

as I said, I think the square diagram isn't exactly right

capitalism vs socialism

no, that's what the up down axis represents

the top is capitalism the bottom is communism

No?

free market economics is capitalism...no central control...that's libertarian society

left vs right is economics

no it's not

yes it is

it literally is

communism is at the bottom of the chart I posted, and libertarianism is at the top of the chart I posted

your chart is rotated so I'm not going to refer to it

communism is stateless and therefore inherently anarchistic

omg lol no it's not

yes it is

communism in it's true form is not anarchistic. communism in the form it has had thus far throughout history has been within an anarchistic world

true communism is worldwide

what?

so far we've only had communist nations

In its true form communism is stateless.

no

we've never had communist nations

only socialist

Here’s mine

pfft

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