> if you feel strongly about an issue you speak strongly about it
@mightytrump you dont have to shout that the sky is blue you just say it because its the truth remember that

woke lefties will say its not blue

> woke lefties will say its not blue
@dumb idiot so let them be the crazy one

@Reedy777s i may be yelling but i am not shouting. its a whole other thing to start using children as pawns. its incredibly damaging and sets a dangerous precedent

and leave it at that

> yes but that not how democracy works you need to convince other people
@Reedy777s i think you look at the world a bit too 2-dimensional. logic and facts don't necessarily convince people. in fact, you can google anything and have an article that support your thesis. so you can't always rely on facts. it's also emotional appeals. that's why the climate change crisis took off -- fear is a huge driving factor. again, that being said, some people seek out new information and they're capable of changing their mind. secondly, democracy isn't convincing others -- it's about give-and-take. You and I may have differences but we will work within our similarities to achieve a common goal

> @mightytrump you dont have to shout that the sky is blue you just say it because its the truth remember that
@Reedy777s *technically* the sky is colourless. It's the air make-up that the sunlight passed through that made it blue/red/etc.

> @Reedy777s i may be yelling but i am not shouting. its a whole other thing to start using children as pawns. its incredibly damaging and sets a dangerous precedent
@mightytrump i know this but i also know how this game works composure is king you dont need to fight for the truth it speaks for itself just simply state it and leave it at that

lefties always portray themselves as smart because they have a fancy degree in something so they must think they will have a really good political opinion

> @Reedy777s i think you look at the world a bit too 2-dimensional. logic and facts don't necessarily convince people. in fact, you can google anything and have an article that support your thesis. so you can't always rely on facts. it's also emotional appeals. that's why the climate change crisis took off -- fear is a huge driving factor. again, that being said, some people seek out new information and they're capable of changing their mind. secondly, democracy isn't convincing others -- it's about give-and-take. You and I may have differences but we will work within our similarities to achieve a common goal
@isoboto yes thats called emotional hijacking

nope. hijacking is too strong of a word. we're constantly making irrational decision and then justified it. we make our choices based on feelings.

only if you allow youself to emotionally hijacked

that's impossible. take hypnosis, for example -- the people who claim they are resistant to hypnosis are easier to be hypnotized. similarly, the people who viewed themselves as more educated are easier to indoctrinated

that's called an emotional decision as opposed to an intellectual one and is normally followed by regret or remorse when our intellectual reasoning catches up

see and thats sign of imaturity

"educated" means you accepted my dogma

like "you need to be educated"

education allows you to make you own decisions and opinions

its in the context of snobby leftists

who ironically are the least educated

indoctrination is a seperate matter

that is the process of getting someone to accept propaganda as truth

> that's called an emotional decision as opposed to an intellectual one and is normally followed by regret or remorse when our intellectual reasoning catches up
@Reedy777s not really. all of your choices are irrational and your brain will bend backward to rationalize it. if the "intellectual choice" and "facts and logic works" then everybody would agree with each other. yet you have academic disputes or people disagreeing on how things function

> @Reedy777s not really. all of your choices are irrational and your brain will bend backward to rationalize it. if the "intellectual choice" and "facts and logic works" then everybody would agree with each other. yet you have academic disputes or people disagreeing on how things function
@isoboto yes but there are different motivations

moral compass is strong one

> education allows you to make you own decisions and opinions
@Reedy777s not necessarily. for example, if you go and talk to college-educated or higher people, they are more heavily leaned on one-side of the spectrum compared to us here in a centrist-conservative servers

its not because when cant agree or dont know its just that we aim to profit in a different way

> @isoboto yes but there are different motivations
@Reedy777s right. so you just basically confirmed that facts and logic sometimes don't work

> @Reedy777s not necessarily. for example, if you go and talk to college-educated or higher people, they are more heavily leaned on one-side of the spectrum compared to us here in a centrist-conservative servers
@isoboto yes thats not an education then its indoctrination

> its not because when cant agree or dont know its just that we aim to profit in a different way
@Reedy777s yes. which is what i point out when i said our brain will bend backward to explain our irrational choice. the "profit" may be minimal

> @isoboto yes thats not an education then its indoctrination
@Reedy777s how can you distinguish the two? we're always under indoctrination, from one side or the other. we -- in this centrist-conservative server -- are listening to a different propaganda compared to the mainstream leftist-progressive propaganda

> moral compass is strong one
@mightytrump it can be shift, though. some people who hates war now doesn't care if they're putting biden (and basically, the war machine) back in office

@Reedy777s I'd also like to point out that my moral compass is compelling a strong response. Emotion is not the motivator but a symptom of my response

If I view something as fundamentally wrong I am going to reject it

If violates multiple beliefs of mine it provokes a stronger response

> @Reedy777s how can you distinguish the two? we're always under indoctrination, from one side or the other. we -- in this centrist-conservative server -- are listening to a different propaganda compared to the mainstream leftist-progressive propaganda
@isoboto the there definitions which do vary but and a generalization education allows you to freely choose whereas indoctrination enforces a predefined believe without question

We are listening to people who want to tell the truth and do their honest best. The other side wants to gatekeep reality and peddle divisive conspiracy theories

yes its called a dictatorship but its doomed to fail because its fundamentally flawed

dictatorship also includes an individual steering the majority of government policy and action

> @isoboto the there definitions which do vary but and a generalization education allows you to freely choose whereas indoctrination enforces a predefined believe without question
@Reedy777s yes. but i am asking how do you distinguish. you can do your own research on this, but one way communism enforces the illusion of freedom is to have manufactured disagreement. it looks like everybody disagreeing with each other but really it's not.

> We are listening to people who want to tell the truth and do their honest best. The other side wants to gatekeep reality and peddle divisive conspiracy theories
@mightytrump i definitely think there are two realities going on. And I'll also say this, "truth" is your perception. because if there is only 1 truth everybody would agree with each other. What you perceive as true, people might not see it so obvious