But I also despise parents who abuse small children

Like

How low of a human being do you have to be

I love my parents. My siblings, however, I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on if they were ablaze.

Damn

I'd take a nuke for mine

When I was six, my older brother built a bonfire with his friends in the yard, and when I went to see it, he covered my legs with lighter fluid and pushed me in.

People who hate their parents for no reason or cos they raise their voice once or some bs I hate but if someone has been severely abused by a parent then I'd understand if they cut them out of their life especially if they have a lot of trauma.

I don't hate anyone without reason. And it's always on an individual basis.

My sister even went as far to try to kill me but she is still my sister. I showed love towards her regardless and now she is doing far better and our relationship is far far better.

That's just it, RT. I'd forgive if there was any sign of remorse, or change.

About forty years later, I still look like Freddy Krueger from the knees down, and he won't even talk to me.

@Jwolf

Why

Yes?

She was very very mentally unstable

Oh

And on that note, I have to go.

Bye!

sometimes people don't want to change and in those cases then I think its up to the person in the situation to decide what they should do with that relationship

byee

That's one thing I struggled with in my faith. We're taught to forgive, but we're not taught to forgive those who are unrepentant. Scriptures clearly teach this for those who pay attention. Everyone thinks forgiveness is about us, so we can "heal". That's nothing more than lying to ourselves and others to make ourselves feel better. That's selfish.

Cya @DishonoredRonin

Forgiveness is about restoration.

Yeah

I have family members that I want nothing to do with. I've tried several times, but they have no regard for others or the consequences of their choices. They refuse to learn AND change. Blood or not, I can't keep dealing with that.

That I understand @Deleted User. You at least have to give them a chance to change.

Yes, but if they don't, there does come a time to walk away.

Yes

<@!722152971831345152> Yes, but it will take a few minutes to type out.

What I was getting at is that those within churches say we are supposed to forgive no matter what, and that forgiveness is meant for us to heal, not for the other person. This is wrong.

I think it could mean, don’t hold a grudge against them.

Forgiveness, especially between us and the Lord means that our relationship has been restored. It is redemption for the one who is forgiven, and a restoration of a relationship between the offended and the forgiven.

To say, "I forgive you, but want nothing to do with you" is wrong. If that thing is still held against them, then they are not truly forgiven. Not only that, there's no restoration, and it also takes something so great as forgiveness (restoration and redemption) and turns it into something selfish.

True

The grudge thing is misleading. I know Scriptures say we shouldn't hold a grudge. At the same time, we're also taught that forgiveness is not automatic and without repentance.

We're taught that IF our brother repents, we are to forgive him. But, there are teachings that tell us how to handle if they are not repentant.

Matthew 18:15-17 lays out the guidelines for that one.

Verse 17 is one people often ignore or overlook. "They are to be to you as a heathen and tax collector." Jesus would NOT say something like that lightly, and I'm sure He knew very well how those people were regarded. They were not regarded as brethren, and often shunned.

Oklahoma Supreme Court just gave the tribes total jurisdiction over the Muscogee Creek nation now tribal police are in control

In the case of the unrepentant and the one who knows better but refuses to change, yes, I say the same. Otherwise, people do have a change of heart. That's the point of bearing with one another. Would you want others to bear with you?