The reasons are vague and unsupported, this is the Socratic method. I ask questions until we get to the absolute fundamentals. My goal is not to defend a decision, because I haven't made one yet. I know know that you can abort sometime before birth, and after fertilization.

Make sure you read the rules so you don't get in trouble

And welcome this is a great server ☺️

No one turns you in any direction darlin. All anyone can do is give you the info and you make the changes for yourself. Thank yourself too.

"general morals", that isn't a very logical solution, it is devoid of substance entirely. The epitome of "because I said so"

> My practical reason for making murder of sapient humans is that it'd result in a society that couldn't trust each other or form civilization due to the mistrust. Therefore my personal quality of life would be at stake, so I want it to be forbidden
@Sengorn Leopardae
my practical reaons for making general murder illegal

and it doesn't apply to fetuses

Societal evolution is why murder is no longer an acceptable recourse for justice. There’s no rationale beyond that for the basic argument.

I provided a utilitarian and practical rational which is beyond that just above

Just talking about murder vs abortion and such. I wouldn’t call it an argument by any means.

a philosophical argument perhaps, a much more civilized and different beast than what one generally constitutes as an argument

I don’t think anyone needs to know your age and personal info darlin. I’d keep it more to yourself.

Yes what she said

I'll respect anyone as an equal regardless of age, but keeping it secret does help eliminate bias

.ban <@!717034223659384934> Can't 12 here

Rip

Rip

inb4 they weren't actually 12 rofl

Yeah, I didn’t think him saying it out in the open would end well.

oh well

Too late and that’s why you don’t bring it up. Lol

> I provided a utilitarian and practical rational which is beyond that just above
@Sengorn Leopardae But what rationality can you provide that differentiates murder from abortion? It’s essentially the same concept. Except, abortion is the murder of someone whom hasn’t had the opportunity to live.

They said they were 12, we take it seriously. It is against Discord ToS and servers have been removed for it.

Yarp. They don’t play either.

murder has the aforementioned effect on society, but an abortion does not. A society can function without mistrust of fellow man with abortion. Murder is what was call illegal death, not all death is murder

I mean, maybe for men.

As a woman I don’t trust females who can flippantly abort a baby they conceived.

Why? What harm would the be doing to you of which you're weary? ambush abortions?

Because as a woman I am naturally inclined to protect offspring. Any woman who isn’t doesn’t sit right with me.

that is not logical

I don’t begrudge a woman the right to not have children.

> murder has the aforementioned effect on society, but an abortion does not. A society can function without mistrust of fellow man with abortion. Murder is what was call illegal death, not all death is murder
@Sengorn Leopardae Not natural death, no. But death of fellow man kind caused purposefully by another is the definition of murder.

only if it is illegal by law

Yes it is. Now I’ll tolerate a lot but don’t pull that kind of generalized quip on me.

otherwise it is not defined as murder

> only if it is illegal by law
@Sengorn Leopardae It should be.

It is not a quip, it is a statement of fact.

I have no idea what your ultimate point is, but you’re officially crossing a line with me so imma excuse myself from the conversation.

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