I value life and it’s purpose. But death is not always nefarious. It’s a perfectly natural thing.

natural simply means it exists, given that supernatural is unproven. Logical fallacy appeal to nature

I don’t know who you’re having a conversation with but I don’t think it’s me.

The conversation on abortion was relegated to this chat

I literally said above that I don’t distinguish between human or otherwise. Life is life.

Oh, ok.

> Life isn't sacred, we kill life all the time, bacteria, plants, animals. So just because a foetus or such is "alive" doesn't necessarily grant it a right to life
@Sengorn Leopardae It’s human.. so can I kill you, because life isn’t of value? NO! It’s immoral, a human is different than bacteria, a plant, an animal..

@SheWhoMustNotBeNamed I was a part of the conversation, but I am back to work now. You can jump in now.

Trying to nail down the exact logical argument behind exactly when abortion is valid or invalid

why is human different?

prove it, not declare it

I just wanted to make sure I hadn’t accidentally responded in lieu of someone else. 🤣

For me, conception is life.

It is life, but why does it have a right to remain alive?

we kill life all the time, bacteria are life

My body my choice ends when I choose to have sex and risk pregnancy. Should it result, it’s my “burden” to bare.

So are you saying that I should be able to kill you without repercussions

why should you not be able to?

> why is human different?
@Sengorn Leopardae The intellectual ability to create what we’ve created.

It’s not even that, you’re being obtuse by not even moving your questions to fit the flow of the conversation. There have been a couple of reasons presented but you haven’t responded to any yourself.

My practical reason for making murder of sapient humans is that it'd result in a society that couldn't trust each other or form civilization due to the mistrust. Therefore my personal quality of life would be at stake, so I want it to be forbidden

You just keep asking why.

> why should you not be able to?
@Sengorn Leopardae General morals. You’re genuinely a monster if you believe human life is at your disposal.

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And I further that to any life.

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> I am new
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The reasons are vague and unsupported, this is the Socratic method. I ask questions until we get to the absolute fundamentals. My goal is not to defend a decision, because I haven't made one yet. I know know that you can abort sometime before birth, and after fertilization.

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No one turns you in any direction darlin. All anyone can do is give you the info and you make the changes for yourself. Thank yourself too.

"general morals", that isn't a very logical solution, it is devoid of substance entirely. The epitome of "because I said so"

> My practical reason for making murder of sapient humans is that it'd result in a society that couldn't trust each other or form civilization due to the mistrust. Therefore my personal quality of life would be at stake, so I want it to be forbidden
@Sengorn Leopardae
my practical reaons for making general murder illegal

and it doesn't apply to fetuses

Societal evolution is why murder is no longer an acceptable recourse for justice. There’s no rationale beyond that for the basic argument.

I provided a utilitarian and practical rational which is beyond that just above

Just talking about murder vs abortion and such. I wouldn’t call it an argument by any means.

a philosophical argument perhaps, a much more civilized and different beast than what one generally constitutes as an argument

I don’t think anyone needs to know your age and personal info darlin. I’d keep it more to yourself.

Yes what she said