But I think a lot of people just dont know what agnosticism is so they dont call themselves that instead

Because I think not believing in anything TRULY, has a great effect on someone.

But thats my absolutism coming out

Very few people are true, coherent atheists. Those who are are anarcho-nihilists. And they don't last long.

I saw there were some Catholics here- any Byzantine Catholics here - just curious👀

Agreed

okay I think we are finding common ground now

Nah im just Roman around

But these other belief systems wrap themselves in the flag of atheism.

haha

Catholic joke

Lol

Roman Catholic though for people that dont know that joke or arent religious lol

okay that makes sense, I thought that what you were saying was that these ideologies are *inherently* linked to atheism in some way

Who here thinks Francis is an anti Pope?

What in the uncle Sam's hell is going on here

low key

Civil discourse.

Atheism is a belief system

They are inherently atheistic (at least in their claims), but people who call themselves atheists aren't obligated to adhere to one.

Beautiful discussion not found in most places in the wild

Yeah i can agree some of the things the Bishop of Rome has done kinda goes against someeee things of the Church but :p i digress

That's what's going on

Guess what...still yer Pope.

yerp

Looool the current pope isn't even Catholic

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-governor-mandates-mask-wearing-across-most-state-coronavirus-cases-n1232845

But

Well he just lost his 2022 reelection

Low key

Okay, I agree that these ideologies are atheistic, but not all atheists adhere to these leftist ideologies @Sugar Goat

I believe the catholic church stole what was once a good thought in religious morals to make money and control people with it

I'm neither catholic nor Lutheran but have you seen the Frank the Hippy Pope videos????

think it may be necessary for some people to come to the catholic church

I'm a non denom

But that could also just be considered caving

very nice @NeoGhost

There after many different kinds of atheists

Okeys talk about masks. Masks can help with droplet protection, and with spreading breath. They are good at preventing disease.

The Catholic Church was corrupted when it became the puppet of the Italian nobility, sadly. :(

In this debate, Jordan Peterson is actually bested by Bret Weinstein in which Weinstein is talking about Judeo-Christian values being aligned with greater prosperity and can even be tested in behavior science. Weinstein's argument was so strong, Jordan could not rebut. https://youtu.be/zzILFasKWQs?t=108