Nice

Evicheemy is for, the rest aren't

i am a spectator

> SO? people should have the free choice to do whatever tf they want in their lives hurtful or not
@Evicheemy No they don't, the mentally ill do not.

Cutting off your dick is not a mentally healthy person's decision

> SO? people should have the free choice to do whatever tf they want in their lives hurtful or not
@Evicheemy Therein lies the irony though. We have a social responsiblity to enact say, welfare -- but not ... protect the welfare of a child?

its the slippery slope Evi

its the we give them an inch and they take a mile

if a man wants his dick chopped off... he can do it no?

> @Nowhere-incoming hmmm for someone who loves liberty it seems to be a "freedom for me but not for you" type thing
@Evicheemy "Who cares what crazy people do! Let them hurt themselves!" You right now...

Cuz it ruins their lives

> if a man wants his dick chopped off... he can do it no?
@Simpnautica I mean ... who's gonna stop you if you that determined but ow

I know evil those trump rallies where they burn city blocks rught!

just like abortion, we let them have it at one point, now they are trying to get actual born babies aborted in some places in America

> who tf care
@Evicheemy you're gonna push it into law that we all pay for this stupid surgery too, don't act like you aren't after how heavily it's been pushed already.

but it's their lives to ruin tho no?

You're thinking about it too negatively. Why not think of transition as a cure for gender (idk what the word is)?

> @Dstar_Destroyer its not a mandatory thing. no one is forcing this on you. we just want people to have the freedom to make choices about their health and body
@Evicheemy once you force it into the national healthcare plan as a MANDATORY surgery, we'd all have to pay for it.

Cuz its not a cure at all

> but it's their lives to ruin tho no?
@Simpnautica That doesn't mean they don't need help, bombarding them with media and opinions that they're "fine" will not help them.

> @elgo no. I wouldnt want you to have to pay for it
@Evicheemy you would, you and everyone else who's like that

I'm just saying its the slippery slope, that will lead it from being let those who want to transition to transition to, if you kid say they are a girl, let them become a girl

i spoke to a psychologist a while back and he said gender changing was linked to suisides rates being higher... BUT at the end of the day it's their choice

Healthcare Battle Royale

shouldnt people be responsible for themselves first

If the baby can live out the womb it's not abortion, it's infanticide

> i spoke to a physchologist a while back and he said gender changing was linked to suisides rates being higher... BUT at the end of the day it's their choice
@Simpnautica Would you not try to stop someone killing themselves? They're not in their right mind.

> thats why they should let them do it if they want
@Evicheemy you can cut your genitals off at home. No need for me to pay for a professional to do this to you.

The left has basically justified baby killing

Plus most people don't instantly go in to surgery, that comes way after hormone shots, and that comes after simple dressing up and acting differently

> @Simpnautica Would you not try to stop someone killing themselves? They're not in their right mind.
@Nowhere-incoming well the other people who don't do it don't do it... i think it comes down to that

> @chimchim totally different discussion tho. trans surg isnt killing anything
@Evicheemy you ever see blaire white, she interviews kids that transition some good -- some not good at all and it's very sad

I mean trans surgery if they wanna pay for it is fine

> @chimchim totally different discussion tho. trans surg isnt killing anything
@Evicheemy *Cough* 40% suicide rate *cough*

It's something that you think about for a long time

It's not like you can just ... control + Z

Hello brothers

Thought it was 50%

How are you?

> The left has basically justified baby killing
@Maggielove feminism has basically opened up every sin we were wanted about decades ago, centuries ago

But if you are getting trans surgery you should have counselling