Jordan Peterson being the most famous

Ok but how the fuck would a curfew help against corona?

Yeah Jordan peterson is saving a lot of atheists from insanity

"Christian atheists," a lot of his followers call themselves

I like peterson a lot

uhh.. that makes no sense Big green

It’s sad really. It’s like they want to be Christian yet their “intelligence” gets in the way. As Lewis put it

He's an interesting guy for sure

Yeah

It's not a matter of intelligence. All our intelligence does is give a long winded explanation of an emotional decision. Sin, and the submission to God is the blocker.

Well I think a lot of atheists lack a base in morality, not because they lack a belief in god, but because the community actively deconstructs morality. They make everything relative, when I think it's obvious that certain things are bad and certain things are good. People like me have had the realization that some things cause suffering and are not okay.

Who here has watched zeds video today

Like, abortion. They talk about how 'it can't think therefore..." no dude it's a living being

if i say i dont believe in god but respect others who do, am i an atheist?

That's a good observation.

Right that’s sort of the point

Like I feel that I can logically break down most issues that the ACA community talks about, and explain why their positions are harmful and wrong, and I never even need to mention god

You're going to run into a big issue though in objective morality. Look into it, but that naturally must necessitate ontology. If the state of humans is moral, and that comes from a nonhuman source, theism is the only conclusion.

I disagree. I find morality is required for any herd based animal to exist long-term

I think the bible is a fantastic way to explain morality though

this is where me and other atheists disagree

That's strictly utility, not morals. Therefore, you can't actually assert anything is wrong. Only unwanted or unproductive.

Is this just me, or is the new Zedcast video private?

He took the video down to fix the audio

Look at his community section on YouTube

Well, from my perspective, morality, things being wrong, are wrong because biology necessitates it to be. We are built as moral creatures for our own survival. Where it comes from doesn't change whether it exists or not. I don't meant to/want to argue I just want you to understand my postion. HOWEVER: Other atheist tend to have this viewpoint of the bible being some indoctrinating propaganda piece, but I'm more in line with Jordan Peterson and it being a beautiful way to outline and describe morality through stories/such

But again for me the religious issue is rather pointless, I think christianity is important to our society and I do not want to live in a world without them

Lets go I've been waiting for ya'll to hit your breaking point and debate a little

so I try not to argue with them

guys

Do you wanna help me make Saudi Arabia a democracy

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Lol who cares about the middle east

bro

Trump does

The Middle East is lit

lol he bringing peace

Everyone should care about it

Israel

But for real, Saudi Arabia got some dark shit going on even though BRITAIN was supposed to help train it's police and how they're supposed to handle their prisons

lol britain